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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Off topic of his personal health for a moment...

    The raising of minimum wage, and requiring employer-provided health benefits to minimum wage folks, has been an interesting experiment in San Francisco. We're losing restaurants at an alarming clip (more closing per year now than opening, which is fairly unusual). Most of them point to the increased labor costs as a major reason. I'm not trying to provide fodder for right-wing talking points, but it's been sad and fascinating to watch in practice. We know a bunch of people in the business, and the owners are just saying the business model doesn't make sense (for a bunch of reasons, NOT just the increased wages, which they philosophically support). Meanwhile, the workers we know, of course thought it was fair to have an increased minimum wage (going up $1 every year recently in SF) and the healthcare benefits, but now many of them are losing work at restaurants they liked.

    (To be more complete, other huge factors are: completely greedy commercial landlords jacking up rates every year, and the rise of take-out dinner economy. If you go into a SF bar and grill these days and sit at the bar for a burger, you will soon find everyone around you is actually just drinking water and awaiting their uber-eats take-out which they will then deliver (for pennies, basically) to some tech bro who wants to eat at home to save money and code. The whole town is just fubar and crazy, for someone of my settings anyway.)
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Someone in the happy zone in the middle of 35 and 70 would be nice.
     
  3. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost not wrong
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    Bernie can accomplish much more as a Senator than he can as a VP. No to VP for all sitting Senators.

    Pluck out a non-politician, a mayor, a term-limited governor, or if you have to, a House member.

    Just stop pulling all of our best people out of the Senate.
     
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  4. Hakeemtheking

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    I think restaurant, mall closings are just a sign of times. The tech revolution is in full blast, and while I appreciate the increased productivity, I just don't know how it will all lead up to (read: I'm uneasy about how us peons will fit into this new economy).
     
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  5. ThatBoyNick

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    Damn... I wouldn't blame him for wrapping up his campaign after this. He needs to go home and relax, hire a personal chef and focus on cleaning up his diet.
     
  6. DreamShook

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    Thank goodness Trump is having a meltdown the same day Bernie is in the Hospital. They are going to talk about this until the end of time I am praying this doesn't affect him in the race.

    RBG is also old and always in the hospital and she is supremely competent.
     
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  7. ThatBoyNick

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    Yeah, and SF is also a just a really different place. real estate prices are astronomical, so astronomical that I'm sure a 15/hr minimum wage is hardly even noticeable. I also think prior to the 15/hr min wage, most in the restaurants were already making around that if not more anyways. SF is just a really ridiculous place to be making anything less then 15/hr(really like 25/hr) considering the cost of living of the bay.
     
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  8. fchowd0311

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    This honestly is a serious concern when determining who should be president. It sucks. Bernie is the last politician I want to see have health issues. I may believe he isn't the best suited to be commander and chief but out of the entire field he probably is the best human.
     
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  9. juicystream

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    Bernie should drop out of the race, IMO. This almost certainly ends his chances as his age is such a major concern already. His support of another candidate could make them the favorite (I'd assume he would back Warren, but I actually doubt he'd announce an endorsement before it is basically decided).
     
  10. DreamShook

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    Has heart surgery, and the first thing he does is use it as a M4A talking point. Now that's ****ing gangster.

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  12. dachuda86

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    This dude is gonna die on the campaign trail if he gets the nomination. Time to drop out. Same for Old Joe who is lucky his eye bled rather than his brain. The old dudes need to give it a rest and retire on their pile of dirty money.
     
  13. ThatBoyNick

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    Bernie Sanders has dirty money?

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  14. dachuda86

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    You seriously think politicians don't wet their beaks? Are you a dumbass?
     
  15. ThatBoyNick

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    You're just going to try to nonchalantly makeup that Bernie has a pile of dirty money... and then get angry and call me the dumbass? Lmao
     
  16. dachuda86

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    Yeah I'm sure he's the one politician without some dirty money... ignoring the money he makes from peddling socialist lies and his wife's scandal.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Lack of affordable housing & health care is what drives these initiatives.

    Unfortunately, software and securitization are eating every last bit of consumer surplus value in the world and are extracting it from the consumer and delivering it to capital.
     
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  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Some do. Most don't. You saying they all do simply because it feels like that isn't really an argument. If you have evidence, show it.
     
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  19. JuanValdez

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    It's going to be damaging for his campaign. But he shouldn't drop out. Honestly, between him, Biden, and Trump, I think it's a crap-shoot who croaks first. Warren has an edge as a woman, and looking pretty spry to boot; she'll outlive the lot of them. I think they should choose their VPs carefully -- no Sarah Palins. But this is why we have VPs. It'll be okay if the next president up and dies on us. We run the succession process and keep going without a hitch.
     
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  20. jiggyfly

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    Wow.

    I am from the bay area but moved before my teens, a lot of family there.

    How do teachers and other civil servants live in the area and work for the city?
     

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