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New NFL rule I'd like to see

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by deb4rockets, Sep 29, 2019.

  1. deb4rockets

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    Coaches can throw their challenge flag on any type play, whether they believe someone was holding, someone grabbed a face mask, etc...

    I don't know why the league doesn't allow any play challenged. Why should it matter what they challenge? After watching so many uncalled facemask and dirty helmet to helmet hits go uncalled by Philly Thurs night, I just don't get it.

    The game is dangerous enough without someone getting away with yanking someone's head around sideways or spearing them. Honestly, spearing a guy helmet to helmet or while on the ground or defenseless should be an automatic ejection. Yanking a guy's head around by grabbing hold of his face mask should also be an automatic ejection. Dirty plays need bigger consequences.
     
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    I would go the opposite direction, fewer if any challenges & reviews. Ik that is hard to comprehend, as it's getting it less fair, less right... I ultimately prioritize a pleasant viewing experience by far over justice, when it comes to entertainment experience.

    I'm fine with letting human element , no matter how egregious the judgment just be another variable like whether a punt bounces forward or backward.
     
  3. YOLO

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    i think the new rule where they allow teams to challenge PI's turned out to be terrible. there's been countless challenges already and 0 have been overturned. yes many of those were PI's. there's no point in this if they're not actually going to enforce it.
     
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    Playoff OT: A full period of 15:00 minutes is played. 2nd and later periods, if a team scores a FG or TD, the opposing team gets a new set of downs to score, if they fail to score a FG or touchdown. On the 2nd series of possessions, if the other team scored another touchdown, the offense has to score a touchdown to stay in the game. No FGs are allowed unless it ties a game or take a lead. The game ends, if they fail to score a touchdown to tie or take a lead.

    >=60 yard FGs = 4 points, 70 or more = 5 points.

    OL men can become eligible receivers after 5 seconds.

    If a #7th or #8th place team has 2 or more wins than the #5 or #6 in the other conference. They will replace the team with the worse record.

    Also, if a wild card team has 2 or more victories than a division winner. The Wild Card team will receive a home playoff game, as the division winner with the worse goes on the road, instead.
     
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    Whatever yall decide, just don't give BoB more chances to waste time outs.
     
  6. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Agree. More replay. All penalties should be up coaches for review. But if a PI or Hold is committed. You call it. It either is or it is not. You don't measure levels of aggregion to decide. That was just stupid is as stupid does by the NFL. Coaches have shown a hesitation to lose a time out. So it should be ok. But yes, you can judge a penalty from replay, so do it. The idea is to get it right.
     
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    Except it's not - by definition, these are judgment calls. Just like most fouls in the NBA. You're allowed to make contact with other players - whether that rises to the level of PI or Holding is subjective.

    The whole point of replay was to only allow it for non-judgment calls. That's true in MLB as well. It takes the subjectivity out of play. PI is an interesting experiment to go beyond that, and so far, it's been terrible, precisely because it's a judgment call and no one has any idea if a specific play qualifies as PI or not.
     
  8. PhiSlammaJamma

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    The rules are clear to me and all referees. It's like saying the strike zone is a judgement call for each mlb umpire and that's ok, when really, it isn''t. MLB is about to crack that code. Inevitable. That's why people are upset with the strike zone. It was clear as day on those PI. It's the same with holding. You either did or you didn't according to the rules. And one person can't always see it and make that determination live. There's really nothing subjective about it.
     
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    The modern NFL game is nearly impossible to officiate with 100% accuracy. They can call holding on almost every play if they want to (offensive and defensive). There are probably a lot more illegal procedures/shifts/formation calls that some crews are better at picking up than others.

    At the end of the day, nobody likes seeing games slowed down by whistles/flags...even if all of them are legit/letter-of-the-law penalties. Its not fun to watch on TV, but its even worse being at the game where you don't have the benefit of every play being shown up-close in HD replay.

    The NFL already has a pace of play issue. The point of emphasis to call holding more this year has already been met with scrutiny from both fans and teams. Yes, teams will have to adjust and not commit as many penalties... and some referee crews may have to dial down the scrutinizing to keep the game watchable.
     
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    That's a bit too extreme. It would get down to false starts and nit picky things. I'd go with any personal foul penalty or potential personal foul penalty.
     
  11. Major

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    Strikezone is different - that's like a fumble or an in-bounds/out-of-bounds play. There is a defined line that marks the strikezone and the ball is either in it or not, so if you want to eliminate an umpire on that, you can. That's why they have those strikezone cameras now.

    Holding, PI, etc are different. There is no defined amount of contact that is allowed - it's entirely a judgment call as to what is too much and constitutes a foul because some contact IS allowed. 20 officials could look at a borderline play and decide those differently. The rules may be "clear" to you, but your definition is different than each ref's and the people in NY. That's the problem. It's impossible to make a definitive standard on those kinds of plays.
     
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    strikezone isn't that different. that's also judgement calls. balls are caught along the "marks" all the time which are considered 50/50 calls. some umps establish different zones as strikes and others don't in that 50/50 area. it's not a 100% in or out call
     
  13. Major

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    But those aren't 50/50 calls. MLB can define them - touching the strike zone line, then its a strike. Or always a ball. You can have an objective yes/no answer if you want. They may not do that right now, but its easy to do.

    PI/Holding - there is no objective right/wrong answer. You couldn't have a computer determine the right call. In-bounds, fumbles, made the first down, etc - there is no gray area. It either happened or it didn't. You may not be able to see it due to camera angles or whatever, but there is a definite right answer. That's why those were made challengable and not the judgment calls.
     
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    not really. those are definitely 50/50 calls. the zone isn't the same for everyone. the "lines" aren't even a 100% accurate measure.
     
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    You're saying how it is now. I'm saying it's something that *can* be definitive. They are already using robo umpires in some minor leagues, which means MLB created an official definition and went with it and are actually using it.

    That's not the case with judgment calls - those are literally impossible to define. It's why even the written version of the rules are subjective. This is the official NFL definition of PI:

    SECTION 5 - PASS INTERFERENCE

    ARTICLE 1. DEFINITION
    It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line.

    (there's a bunch more technical stuff after this part)


    "Significantly hinders" is a judgment call by definition. Other parts of it mention "incidental contact" and things of that nature - all of that is subjective.
     
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    tbh I think that would we a terrible idea. random things are used in minors across the board because they matter very little. doesn't mean it works for the absolutely highest level
     
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    Yeah, I don't know if it's a good idea or not. And I'm not really talking about whether they should do it - I'm just pointing out the difference between objective and subjective calls. Anything where you can define unquestioned yes/no calls are objective calls - those are the things leagues like to be reviewable. Anything where there's judgment involved, leagues want to avoid - and we've seen the early trainwreck in PI being reviewable.
     
  18. PhiSlammaJamma

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    First you said if could not be defined, but they use the word definition right there in the rule. It's defined. Clear as day. You don't once see the word objective or subjective in the definition anywhere. It's not there. You added that. The NFL could easily computerize pass interference if it wanted. Don't ever doubt technology. They already use the computer to determine if contact occurred before the throw or not, and whether contact was made before the throw or not. The mere use of replay means it's happening, and this is exactly how it started with baseball's strike zone. The biggest problem is did the referee see it or not. They don't always see it. The computer and replay always does.
     
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    It really shouldn't matter what they use it on. Nobody other than maybe BOB is going to waste a flag on an iffy judgemental call. Some guy grabs hold of Watson's face mask and tanks his head around like last game is an obvious penalty call missed. That should be able to be challenged.
     
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    If a coach wastes their challenges on that nonsense then it is to their own disadvantage.
     

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