[MIAMI HERALD] Centrist Dems begin arguing against far-left agenda as 2020 play

Sweet Lou 4 2 · Jul 24, 2018

RocketsLegend said: ↑

The people that want us to become a welfare state and at the same time have open borders. What could possibly go wrong?
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You mean like giving farmers $12 Billion in Welfare? That kind of Welfare State?

Sweet Lou 4 2 · Jul 24, 2018

MojoMan said: ↑

You are right. It isn't an opinion. It is a lie.

In fact, you people are currently waging a very public, hysterically unhinged and highly vituperative campaign to oust the current duly elected President of the United States. That is how supportive of Democracy that Democrats are. Or, actually, it is how supportive of democracy that Democrats are not.

The proof is in the pudding.
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glynch · Jul 24, 2018

B-Bob said: ↑

Agreed. I think by "far left" most people now mean the "Bernie wing" but with a large helping of identity politics on the plate as well. I think our friend glynch would say the "moderate" democrats are those that are economically "comfortable" and fear rocking the neo-liberal, establishment boat.
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Hey, great post !!

glynch · Jul 24, 2018

pgabriel said: ↑

On income equality, i they'd be better off advocating a simple $10 minimum wage. No need to complicate the issue with a political term like income equality. More people can relate to $10 and the majority who make over $10 will be more sympathetic to people not making $10 an hour.

Minimum wage hasnt increased in 9 years.
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Are you getting radical now?

Hillary only proposed $9.50/hr if I recall before that radical Bernie shamed her into around $11.00 hr iirc.

Btw would you like to live on $10/hr. lol

glynch · Jul 24, 2018

SamFisher said: ↑

It's so easy to trigger the trolls by...talking about popular things that are good for society.

Looks like you guys still haven't figured this one out yet.
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Poor thing she was uncomfortable because the folks at the rally said they had partly gotten involved in politics because "they were tired of being ANGRY (omg!!!). She then unintelligently said that they should do something about things besides be angry.

Bobbythegreat · Jul 24, 2018

glynch said: ↑

Are you getting radical now?

Hillary only proposed $9.50/hr if I recall before that radical Bernie shamed her into around $11.00 hr iirc.

Btw would you like to live on $10/hr. lol
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Why not just make the minimum wage $50 an hour? According to the foolish logic behind "living wages" that would make everyone have enough money to live right?

pgabriel · Jul 24, 2018

glynch said: ↑

Are you getting radical now?

Hillary only proposed $9.50/hr if I recall before that radical Bernie shamed her into around $11.00 hr iirc.

Btw would you like to live on $10/hr. lol
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I make 9 right now so yes. Don't assume

dmoneybangbang · Jul 24, 2018

Like the Tea Party of 2010, I think this strategy of letting "local" elections (state level and below) go more leftward could work out for 2018. Progressives could win on local issues.

Invisible Fan · Jul 25, 2018

I don't mind a shakeup to party establishment. They got a long way to go though.

A workable platform should be on top of the list.

AleksandarN · Jul 25, 2018

RocketsLegend said: ↑

The people that want us to become a welfare state and at the same time have open borders. What could possibly go wrong?
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How is that debt coming along?

AleksandarN · Jul 25, 2018

MojoMan said: ↑

They play along with the elections, until they don't have to anymore. Then the terror is extended to everyone except the establishment elites.

The Democrats in this country would do away with elections if they could get away with it. Despite referring to themselves as "Democrats," they are in fact nothing of the kind.
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Who is running the government now? Who looks up to dictatorships wantedly hoping he had the authority and control they have?

AleksandarN · Jul 25, 2018

glynch said: ↑

Are you getting radical now?

Hillary only proposed $9.50/hr if I recall before that radical Bernie shamed her into around $11.00 hr iirc.

Btw would you like to live on $10/hr. lol
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No give me those billions of dollars in tax cuts. Oh wait...

glynch · Jul 25, 2018

Nook said: ↑

Yeah Chavez was elected democratically in the same sense Putin or Erdoğan were.
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Of course there is the inconvenient truth that the noted left wing extremists at the Carter Center and similar folks found the elections legitimate. So I guess you equate Jimmy Carter with Putin.

Rocket River · Jul 25, 2018

KingCheetah said: ↑

What definition of 'far left' are we using?
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I think FAR LEFT is where the Moderate Right use to be

Rocket River

Bobbythegreat · Jul 25, 2018

Rocket River said: ↑

I think FAR LEFT is where the Moderate Right use to be

Rocket River
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Sure, the current FAR LEFT in America is similar to where the moderate right was in Russia 100 years ago. I assume that's what you were saying.

Nook · Jul 25, 2018

glynch said: ↑

Of course there is the inconvenient truth that the noted left wing extremists at the Carter Center and similar folks found the elections legitimate. So I guess you equate Jimmy Carter with Putin.
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I misspoke, I meant Maduro, who certainly has interfered with election results.

You cannot help yourself, can you? When it comes to Venezuela you have to swoop in like a white knight.

Venezuela has been an absolute and complete failure.

Os Trigonum · Sep 13, 2018

Jimmy Carter warns Democrats about going too far to the left and engaging in talk about impeachment

https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/f...ns-his-president-against-drifting-to-the-left

Former President Carter Warns His Party Against Drifting To The Left
Former President Jimmy Carter is warning his party against drifting too far left as we head into the midterms and, beyond that, the 2020 campaign cycle.
DOUG MATACONIS · THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2018 · 3 COMMENTS

Former President Jimmy Carter has a warning for his fellow Democrats, don’t move too far to the left:

Jimmy Carter has issued a warning to his fellow Democrats looking to oust the Trump administration: don’t go too far to the left.

“Independents need to know they can invest their vote in the Democratic party,” the former US president said in an annual address he gives at his post-presidential center and library in Atlanta.

Carter advised caution about the political consequences should Democrats”move to a very liberal program, like universal health care”.

That is delicate and, Carter acknowledged, even contradictory advice coming from the 93-year-old former president, and it underscores the complicated political calculations for Democrats as they prepare for the November midterms and look ahead to the 2020 presidential election.

“Rosie and I voted for Bernie Sanders in the past,” Carter noted.

He was referring to his wife, Rosalynn, and their support for the Vermont senator, the independent who identifies as a Democratic socialist, over Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democratic presidential primary.

In his address on Tuesday, Carter also said he sees little hope for America to change its human rights and environmental policies as long as Donald Trump is in the White House.

He singled out Trump’s policy of separating immigrant families at the border, including those seeking asylum.

“America is inherently committed to human rights, and I think in the future we will let that prevail,” Carter said, “but for the next two years, I can’t predict the imprisoned children are going to be any better off unfortunately.”

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Meanwhile Carter stressed that Democrats nationally must “appeal to independents”, who he warned are souring on the current administration.

There is some historical irony in Carter’s analysis. He came to the White House in 1976 from the moderate wing of the Democratic party. He clashed with party liberals and was later unable to win over independents – who voted Republican and helped deliver a landslide victory for Ronald Reagan in 1980.

These remarks come just about a week after the former President said that Democrats should avoid basing the 2018 campaign on impeachment:

WASHINGTON - Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that talking about impeaching President Donald Trump is “the wrong thing for Democrats to do.”

“I don’t talk about impeachment,” the Georgia Democrat told anchor Neil Cavuto in an interview on the Fox Business Network. “I think that’s the wrong thing for Democrats to do.”

Carter was elected president after the Watergate scandal forced former President Richard Nixon to resign rather than face impeachment.

Carter made his comments in response to a question from Cavuto about Democrats “salivating” at their prospects of winning control of the House from Republicans in November. The Fox anchor said that “many” Democrats are talking about impeaching Trump if they gain the majority.

In reality, most Democrats have shied away from the controversial subject this election year while special counsel Robert Mueller continues his investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin.

Republicans, however, have been warning voters that Democrats will try to impeach Trump if Democrats wins the majority in the House. But, even if the House were to impeach Trump, he would have to be tried in the Senate. Few analysts believe that Democrats will win control of the Senate this year.

Cavuto also asked Carter about Trump’s claims that the stock market would collapse if Democrats impeached him. Carter expressed skepticism about Trump’s assertion.

“You know, I think the president has much less influence over the economy than is certainly publicized by the president himself,” Carter said. “But whenever the economy goes up, the president always wants to take credit for it. Whenever the economy goes down, the president wants to avoid responsibility. And I think it’s been that way in our country ever since we started.

In evaluating these comments, it’s worth remembering that, Republican rhetoric notwithstanding, Jimmy Carter was not and is not someone who can fairly be said to come from the left-wing of the Democratic Party. When he was nominated in 1976, and before that when he served as Governor of Georgia, he was widely seen as a counter-argument to the forces on the left that had taken over the nomination process in 1972 and led the party to nominate George McGovern. More or less, Carter was a party of the tradition of centrist to somewhat conservative Democrats that came out of the South in the years before the Republican Party completed its takeover of politics in that era. This also comes notwithstanding the fact that he ended up supporting Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Presidential election, a fact that can largely be explained by the fact that Carter had never been an enthusiastic fan of the Clinton wing of the party going back to the years when Bill Clinton was President. To some extent, this explains Carter’s words of warning to his party as they head toward the 2018 midterms and the 2020 Presidential election.

Regardless of what wing of the Democratic Party the former President comes from, though, Democrats would do well to heed his advice both regarding the warning not to drift too far to the left and the warning against concentrating too much on the idea of impeaching President Trump should they gain control of one or both houses of Congress in November. On the first element, Carter’s advice would seem to be axiomatic. If Democrats are going to win in November or beyond, they are going to have to attract voters beyond their base and beyond the vocal elements of the so-called “progressive” wing of the party that seem to be trying to take over party messaging at this point. This means finding a way to have a party that includes candidates such as Doug Jones, Joe Manchin, and Heidi Heitkamp as well as candidates like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Andrew Gillum, and Ayanna Pressley.

On the second point regarding not focusing on impeachment, Carter is correct for two reasons.

First of all, talk of impeachment prior to the midterms is just as likely to stir up enthusiasm among Trump supporters as it is to energize the Democratic base. This could be the difference between winning and losing in marginal districts and states. Instead of focusing on impeachment per se Democrats ought to focus on the fact that the Republicans in Congress have utterly failed in their Constitutional duty to act as a check and balance on the Executive Branch and have instead, with a handful of notable exceptions that mainly consist of Congressman and Senators who are retiring at the end of their terms, acted as political toadies willing to look the other way as this President undermines political norms, attacks freedom of the press and the Rule of Law, and seeks to undermine the investigation being conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller. This is in addition, of course, to running on the issues that they believe will resonate in their particular districts and states, but the overall message ought to be one in which Democrats as a whole focus on the idea of being the kind of check that the Constitution intended for an out-of-control Executive.
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more at the link

Os Trigonum · Sep 15, 2018

bump for @Sweet Lou 4 2

JayGoogle · Sep 15, 2018

I think it'll be the other way around, conservatives need to worry about going too far right. More corporation slobbering, more racism, more religious wingnuttery is going to scare away moderates...not fighting for free healthcare...which polls show, most of the country wants anyhow.

As for the whole impeachment thing...whatever. It's politics. The Democrats may do it if they get the power at midterms or they may not, if they don't it'll be because of some calculation that it's better for 2020 to keep Trump in office for the following 2 years.

It's politics. Trump spent his campaign talking about how he was going to lock up Clinton and look what happened with that.

With that said, if Mueller's investigation concludes and finds high crimes on Trump then impeachment is necessary.

DaDakota · Sep 15, 2018

Meanwhile is Sweden, Finland, The Netherlands, Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark - socialist democracy is thriving.

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