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Its Time to Move On from all the Russian Collusion Nonsense

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  1. Rocketman1981

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ian-ambassador-legal-james-robbins/917714001/

    If Michael Flynn's 'crime' is all Robert Mueller has, it is time to move on
    James S. Robbins, Opinion columnistPublished 6:00 a.m. ET Dec. 4, 2017
    Transitions include the president-elect talking to foreign officials. That's not treason; that's the job description.
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    On Friday, President Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about a perfectly legal conversation he had during the presidential transition with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

    Flynn should not have lied, and why he chose to remains a mystery, but the substance of the single-count indictment against Flynn shows that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation has strayed far from its original purpose.

    We have come down quite a way from the hyperventilation about Russia “hacking the election” a year ago. What happened to Democratic Sen. Mark Warner’s claim, later promoted by Hillary Clinton, that there were 1,000 Russian agents planting anti-Hillary fake news stories in key swing states? Or that Russians had delivered Wisconsin to Trump? All the conspiracy theorists have so far are a few Facebook ads that can’t credibly be shown to have changed even one vote.

    Flynn was fully in his rights making the call to Kislyak. Despite the best efforts of the anti-Trumpers, it is still not illegal to talk to Russians. Even Democratic former CIA director and Defense secretary Leon Panetta said it was a “stretch” to say these contacts broke the law.

    The dust-up seems mainly to be about the decorum of presidential transitions. Days after the 2016 election, the Trump team cautioned the Obama administration against pursuing new and damaging foreign policy initiatives that did not align with Trump’s priorities.

    “I don’t think it’s in keeping with the spirit of the transition,” one of president-elect Trump’s national security advisers told Politico on Nov. 10, 2016, “to try to push through agenda items that are contrary to the president-elect’s positions.”

    The Trump transition team feared, for good reason, that the lame-duck Obama administration was poisoning the well with Russia, and pursuing spiteful anti-Israel policies on the way out the door. Trump asked Flynn, his soon-to-be national security adviser, to open a semi-official channel to Russia through its ambassador to discuss future cooperative efforts against the Islamic State and the United Nations vote on an anti-Israel resolution. As lawyer Alan Dershowitz argued, “Not only was that request not criminal, it was the right thing to do.”


    The phone call to Kislyak, and any other such contacts with foreign officials, should be viewed in that context. This was not, for example, on the level of colluding with shadowy Russian intelligence contacts to create disinformation to try to swing the election, as the authors of the Clinton-connected Trump smear dossier did.

    There was ample precedent for the president-elect to put out feelers to foreign leaders.

    • A memo from the Podesta files released by WikiLeaks shows that the Obama team had planned for the “president-elect and senior officials (to) begin confidential policy consultations with key actors in U.S. and abroad” between Thanksgiving and Inauguration Day.
    • Obama also openly used emissaries and go-betweens to meet with foreign leadersduring his transition.
    • And for overwrought members of “the resistance” who think the unenforceable Logan Act is suddenly in play, recall that in 2008 then-candidate Obama arranged substantive foreign policy discussions with numerous foreign dignitaries and leaders during an overseas campaign trip before the election.
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    An erroneous ABC News report that Trump had dispatched Flynn to make contact with Russia before the election appears to have caused a massive stock market selloff. The report was corrected, and reporter Brian Ross was suspended. The important takeaway of ABC’s fake news outbreak is that since the Trump team’s outreach to Russia took place after the election, it implies there were no channels to Moscow before the fact. This puts a stake in the heart of the collusion theory.

    A CNN analyst speculated that instead of outright coordination, there was an implicit quid pro quo for Russia getting Trump elected. This might be called the “grasping at straws” gambit.

    On Sunday, Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., resurrected the notion that Trump obstructed justice by firing then-FBI Director and Bible scholar James Comey. But again, this is a weak and constitutionally suspect narrative.

    The real obstruction might be found in the Mueller investigation itself. The legitimacy of the FBI witch hunt against Trump was further damaged by reports that leading FBI investigator Peter Strzok, who had spearheaded the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s sketchy home-brew email server, was demoted because of anti-Trump texts he exchanged with co-worker Lisa Page, with whom he was having an extramarital affair.

    This is hardly an unbiased investigation. If the type of process crime that Flynn was nailed for is all the Mueller team can come up with, it is time to move on.

    James S. Robbins, a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors and author of This Time We Win: Revisiting the Tet Offensive, has taught at the National Defense University and the Marine Corps University and served as a special assistant to the secretary of Defense in the George W. Bush administration. Follow him on Twitter: @James_Robbins.
     
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  2. RocketsLegend

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    Will the Democrats allow all this to end for the greater good of the country?
     
  3. Major

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    LOL. Why do people assume they know everything there is to be found? Do you even know how his plea agreement is set up?
     
  4. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    An editorial from a conservative saying we should stop investigating? How many witch hunt and Clinton references?

    *shocked*
     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    Sure is funny that republicans and trump supporters are all in a hurry to get Mueller to stop his investigation. Mueller must be getting closer and closer. Continue on Mr. Mueller, and make it so.
     
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  6. conquistador#11

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    leave no massage parlor in the ussr unturned.
     
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    I'd never heard of this guy and was hoping to rebut this assumption about a columnist at a mainstream paper, but when your bibliography includes This Time we Win: Revisiting the Tet Offensive and The Real Custer there's just no wiggle room.
     
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    I'm beginning to agree with this sentiment. The longer this goes on with unimpressive results, the more the public will tire of it...the more Trump's call description of a "witch hunt" will set in...the more the public sees the left as solely politically motivated. Keep going Mueller!

    Investigate on!
     
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  9. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Brought to you by the same people who said we needed a full fledged investigation into Barry O's birth certificate. Hahahahahhaha!
     
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  10. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    From nothing burger to the unimpressive smelly burger. Make sense.
     
  11. KingCheetah

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    I couldn't agree more - the libiots need to stop their incessant whining and wrap up this endless witch-hunt so Mr. Trump can do his job without distraction.
     
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    What an incredibly stupid article. If Flynn's conviction was all they had, the investigation would be closing down now, and they wouldn't have accepted a plea deal in exchange for further cooperation.

    It doesn't matter what the article says or what I say. It only matters what the evidence Mueller comes up with says.
     
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  13. finalsbound

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    people just don't want to admit that trump was actually colluding with putin for the good of our country. what have you done for america today you f*cking fake ass patriots.
     
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  14. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    All I gotta say is this is all Obama's fault. Before Obama Trump was never president. Thanks Obama.
     
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  15. larsv8

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    Agreed, it's time to move onto obstruction of justice and impeachment proceedIngs
     
  16. Mr.Scarface

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    It is almost certain that Trump will be indicted on Obstruction of Justice chargers because of his approaching Comey to stop his investigation of Flynn. Then firing of Comey.
     
  17. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Bro, I think you're being serious, but tell me I am wrong.

    You have numerous guilty pleas.
    You have Manafort, on bail, misbehaving even this week, with a sketchy co-author, violating judge's orders.
    You have Trump (or his lawyer) basically admitting to obstruction of justice. (Also this week!)

    So... yeah, "unimpressive results"? Jesus H. I'm not saying Trump is guilty of anything, but I've seen a ton of investigations with a lot less to show for themselves. Mueller should be allowed to continue his work. If Fox Americans don't care, so be it. Americans who value country over party actually do care, in the main.
     
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    Sorry if I’m a bit slow. But are you being sarcastic or serious??
     
  19. Aceshigh7

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    None of the indictments have anything to do with Russian collusion.

    The potential "obstruction of justice" charge that some are calling for against Trump, again, has nothing to do with Russian collusion.

    The special prosecutor was ostensibly appointed to investigate Russian collusion in the 2016 election. To date, there is zero indication of any of that.

    It's highly likely the Russian collusion a lot of y'all are hoping for simply didn't exist.
     
  20. Invisible Fan

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    We haven't even uncovered Truth Behind Benghazi, let alone Barry's Birth Records. Those liberal sheep has held America back for too long.
     

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