Israel Executes Civilian in Gaza. Israeli Who Wrote It Leaves Israel After Threats

Since you double-posted...I'll quote.

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More about Eran Efrati, the guy from that interview:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-...a-case-study-in-psychopathic-self-abhorrence/

The Soldier and the Refusenik: A case study in psychopathic self abhorrence

Maya Wind and Eran Efrati are alleged peace activists who are touring the country and warning university students about the sins of the Jewish people. They call themselves “The Soldier and the Refusenik; and my friends and I had the unfortunate opportunity of seeing them lecture at Tulane University in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Efrati, a former IDF soldier who now hates both the IDF and his own country, talks a good game. He begins his introduction to the students with a well rehearsed sentimental story of how he was a sweet naive soldier who, in a desire to see love and peace between Arabs and Jews develop, offered candy to a young Arab child, in Hebron. Later, allegedly, in a random house drawing exhibition on the part of the IDF, Efrati finds himself in that same boy’s house. After making the mistake of pointing a gun at the child and, due to his own negligence, getting the boy’s father arrested, Efrati apparently then sees the proverbial light, and decides to fight against Israel, Zionism, and the self-determination of his own people. All because of his own stupidity which he of course blames on the very existence of the Jewish state. So, like most psychopaths, he blames his own pathologies on a completely unrelated entity, namely Israel, and to justify this action, makes up stories about the Zionist state. For example, He laments the checkpoints, which keep Israelis, both Jews and Arabs, safe from terror attacks. He says checkpoints are axiomatic proof of “apartheid,” (which by this standard means that the JFK airport is proof of American “apartheid” as well).

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But what’s worse is that these are Jews who are rabidly anti-Semitic. The United States State Department defines anti-Semitism in part as, “especially but not exclusively, [perpetrating] the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.” Efrati feeds into this sentiment, by actually contending that there is a vast worldwide conspiracy going on, a hotbed of collaboration between the United States Police force and the state of Israel “globalizing and training to oppress us, globally.” The state department also defines anti-Semitism as “Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, and denying Israel the right to exist. In the lecture. Efrati called for the “boycott divestment and sanction of the laboratory that is Israel.” On his facebook page, he says, “I promised myself that I will not support the Zionist apartheid regime anymore and will take an active part in overthrowing it to the trash can of history.” This is anti-Semitism, pure and simple. And it is unacceptable.

So now Efrati and Wind are touring around the country promoting anti-Semitic nonsense on universities and campuses. According to their website, in the upcoming months they will be in Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, California and Washington. These lectures taking place, especially if they are taking place on universities and college campuses must be boycotted and, if possible, legal action against such organizations that host such people should be taken. More often than not, schools have anti-discrimination policies that prohibit discrimination against students based on national origin. Hosting Efrati and Wind on campus is a direct violation of such policy. Thus, if students find out they are coming, they should approach their respective college administrations and take appropriate action against them.

This is not 1939. The Jewish People Live. No amount of preaching of anti-Semitic propaganda on college campuses will ever be effective, so long as we in the Zionist community fight back. No amount of lies and hatred spewed out of the mouths of cowards and traitors to their own people will ever keep us silent. We, my friends and I, we protested last week. We held up signs that said “False” and “Inaccurate” every time the lecturers said something incorrect. We shouted out, we booed, we asked questions, we were defiant. And we will keep being defiant and you should too. If you ever find out anything like this is happening in your community, speak up, take action, fight back; we must never be made to go down the dark road of pogroms and anti-Jewish laws again, not here, not elsewhere, not ever. But it can start with a pamphlet. It can start with a book. It can start with an anti-Israel organization or a lecture on a college campus in New Orleans, Louisiana. So stand up and be counted. Zion, rise up.

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The Useful Idiots of the BDS Campaign

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Another organization activist, Eran Efrati, has been visiting US campuses and spreading slanderous lies against Israel. His sponsors include Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), one of the most malicious organizations against Israel. The activity takes place mostly around the world: The organization’s activists have gone all the way to Australia to slander Israel.

These are the actions of someone who has joined the demonization campaign. These are not the actions of someone who wants to improve things.

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http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/16425/useful-idiots-bds-campaign/#BQxefkkAxoyizoC7.97

 

ATW accuses Amy Goodman, who is Jewish, of being anti-semitic. Check

ATW posts a trash article from an Israeli source ripping the soldier reporting stories about Israeli killings. Check

ATW working overtime to prop up his Zionist crazies as fine upstanding people. Check

 

glynch posts anti-semitic propaganda from an anti-semitic website. Check.

CometsWin gets all aroused from said propaganda. Check.

ATW pwns both crazies, glynch and CometsWin, as usual, dominates their thoughts and controls their emotions. Check.

 

ATW continues with his crazy crusade. Check

Anyone that posts anything regarding Israel is anti-semitic. Check

Anyone that posts anything ATW disagrees with is personally attacked. Check

ATW is a broken record who'll have another Mooslim thread up soon enough. Check


*snore*

 

Couldn't read the link because glynch needs to fix the url, but...reading Democracy Now for Israel news is like going to the Guardian to read about the NFL.

Any Israeli soldier who comes forward to talk about abuse is treated just as badly as a whistleblower in the US and is immediately attacked by the True Believerz as a disloyal, self-loathing Jew, traitor, etc. I know people that aren't even particularly left-wing or even political at all that are refuseniks after witnessing terrible **** the army did to civilians because...they can.

It's also getting worse. B'tselem, Israeli's leading human rights group, is no longer cooperating with the army on human rights abuses, because they are tired of being used as a fig leaf to help cover for them.

Times of Israel is a blog...other than the editor-in-chief (who is no longer at JPost for not being sufficiently right-wing enough) most of the people have less journalism experience than some of the posters in D&D, and the vast majority are not even Israeli -- they are Brits and Americans, mostly recent olim playing journalism and are unpaid volunteers.

As for the recent operation (since Israel doesn't have wars, they have "operations" in much the same way the US and UK have "campaigns"). As for whistleblowers and refuseniks, I'd suggest reading this, which is what Israelis are actually talking about:


Mutiny in the Israeli Stasi: exposing the occupation's worst filth
The elite intel unit veterans took a milestone in announcing they will no longer serve the occupation. In their footsteps, perhaps, a few veterans of the Shin Bet security service will also come forward and talk about what they did at work.

By Gideon Levy


The 43 veterans of the elite intel unit who announced that they will no longer agree to serve the occupation have made a double contribution to Israeli society.

Like other conscientious objectors, including soldiers and military pilots, these members of Unit 8200 are courageous and moral. But their refusal has an additional dimension, the likes of which have never been seen before in Israel. They etched another scar into the ugly face of the Israeli occupation, deeper than the ones that preceded it, because it involves the darkest and most base sides of the occupation’s malignant routine. In a healthy society, the reservists’ action and their disclosures would have set off real shock waves. But in Israel, all the systems of defense, offense and propaganda, of ridicule and denial, have already been co-opted for the purpose of swiftly burying this important letter by objector-spies.

They, too, are among the finest of our youth, perhaps the best – almost like the pilots. Unit 8200, the largest unit of the Israel Defense Forces, has the right of second pick, after the air force, in selecting recruits. Their image is sparkling – and their future is assured; tech firms lie in wait for them. Their military service is free of risk and – like the pilots – they don’t see their victims up close. Until now, their service was nearly free of ethical qualms. They do not kill, beat or carry out arrests, they are jobniks, desk jockeys with prestige, the kind of child nearly every parent would want. Their weapon is their intelligence, their computer and other sophisticated instruments; their bunker is their office. A large part of their work, it must be stressed, is vital and legitimate. And still, Unit 8200 is Israel’s Stasi.

In contrast to the East German intelligence service, its Israeli successor targets not citizens of the state, but rather the Palestinians who are subject to its occupation. Anything may be done to them, using means the Stasi would have envied. Like the Stasi, it involves not only intelligence gathering and espionage, but also mechanisms to control, extort and exploit an entire nation. This is based on erecting an enormous army of collaborators and informers, recruited through the vicious exploitation of their weaknesses, needs, illnesses and sexual orientations.

Thanks to Unit 8200, an entire nation exists without the right to privacy. The great contribution of the new objectors is that they have told us about this. In their Arabic studies, they were taught all the forms of the Arabic word for “homosexual” – because they need it. They were required to find out about the sexual orientation, health and financial problems of tens of thousands of individuals. Perhaps there’s a nephew on Israel’s list of wanted terrorists, perhaps a cousin who’s wanted for questioning, offering an opportunity for extortion. Perhaps they’ll agree to talk about the next-door neighbor in exchange for a chemotherapy treatment; a report in return for surgery; snitching in exchange for an income boost; a bit of information in return for a night in Tel Aviv.

This despicable collecting work – there’s no other way to describe it – is done by soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, and “every Jewish mother should know” this. They collect important security information, and alongside it also political and personal information, and they mark targets for assassination. A few of them tried to talk about it over the weekend, and the radio and television stations rocked with laughter. The commentators vied with each other for adjectives: “trippy,” “scandalous,” “negligible,” “spoiled brats” and, worst of all, “politicos” and “lefties” – in unison, of course. No one came to the defense of a group of people who, until Thursday, were a source of pride. Not even activists from the LGBT community, who are called in after any inappropriate comment about lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgenders. They have been silent about the persecution of their Palestinian counterparts by the state, which brags about its enlightened attitude toward the gay community.

That’s Israel for you. As long as the members of Unit 8200 were up to their arms in the filth of the occupation, they were considered principled young men and women, and were respected. But as soon as they decided they’d had enough, they became targets for ridicule and ostracism. The step they have taken is a milestone. In their footsteps, perhaps, a few veterans of the Shin Bet security service – the other pillar of the Israeli Stasi in the territories – will also come forward and finally talk about what they did at work. Their commanders already did, partially, in “The Gatekeepers.”

The military and media establishment will quickly stomp on the 43 objectors, but perhaps they will not be forgotten. From out of the deepest darkness, they broke the silence.

 

Democracy Now is anti-semitic??? Hahaha. That's hilarious. Then so are half of Jewish Americans. What exactly has goodman said that is anti-semitic.

Just because you think what the Israeli gov't does is wrong doesn't count as anti-semetic. Same thing with Efrati. What did he say that was anti-semitic? Saying you are against the gov't doesn't make you a racist! Geez. And the comparison of JFK to a checkpoint is ridiculous.

 

Also, there's this. I doubt much will come from it, but it's certainly interesting.




Sissi thinks creatively to solve the Palestinian refugee problem
The Egyptian president is willing to cede territory to ease the Palestinians’ plight, but Israel is shocked.
By Israel Harel


Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sissi offered the Palestinians about 1,600 square kilometers near the Gaza Strip, which is only about 356 square kilometers large. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas rejected the offer out of hand.

Why? Apparently because it has elements that could help solve the refugee problem and ease the terrible overcrowding in Gaza. These are two things, especially a solution in Sinai for some of the refugees – not in Ashdod and Ashkelon – that horrify the Palestinian president.

When Sissi’s offer was made public on Army Radio, I received a text message from a key figure in the media at the time. “Could it be,” he wrote, “that Sissi took part in the Herzliya Conference a few years ago and was persuaded, despite the mocking reactions in the hall, by the remarks of a strange Israeli who talked about Egypt’s obligation to contribute a bit of its huge and empty territory to the Palestinian state?”

Back to my presentation at the Herzliya Conference. I mentioned how most Israelis, on the right as well, have been conditioned to think that Israel is the only side obligated to provide the necessary territory for the establishment of a Palestinian state. Why, I asked, don’t we demand – and complement that demand with the appropriate diplomatic activity – that Egypt and Jordan, which have huge land reserves, do their part?

They are, after all, sisters to the Palestinians in religion, origin and nationality. No less, their war in 1948 to wipe out the Jewish state led to many of the Palestinians’ territorial and demographic problems.

I suggested that Egypt, which stretches out over more than a million square kilometers (most of it unsettled), grant the Palestinians about 10,000 square kilometers. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians would benefit in terms of space and economics — a deep port and recreation area at el-Arish and the Eitam airport, which Israel did not demolish when it withdrew from Sinai in 1982. And the area would be developed with the help of Israel, the West and international funds.

Even if Israel withdrew to the 1967 lines, I concluded, the Palestinians would not have enough room — the West Bank is only around 5,500 square kilometers large — for a sustainable state. A stifling lack of land would lead to turmoil that would spill over into the heart of Israel. We could persuade the Americans and the other leading international figures of the proposal’s logic. They could use their influence on (then-president) Hosni Mubarak, who is dependent on them.

Someone at the conference shouted: “The Herzliya Conference provides a platform for such absurd remarks?” (I had that platform in the following years as well.) Some averted their eyes, the way one might during an embarrassing moment at the theater. The Jordanian ambassador stood up, protested vociferously and left the room, followed by his Egyptian counterpart.

The idea has been presented in forums that dealt with the withdrawal lines in various peace plans. Most who heard it didn’t hide their opinion that the proposal was “completely unacceptable.” If that be the direction, there’s Prof. Yehoshua Ben-Arieh’s plan, which mainly involves Egypt giving the Palestinians territory in Gaza, and Israel compensating Egypt with land in the Negev. That’s “acceptable.”

In contrast, people in seminars abroad, especially non-Jews – the rational minds of non-Jews – have not ruled out the proposal. “It is only right that Egypt grant symbolic territory to the Palestinians, living in shameful conditions in one of the most densely populated places on earth,” a leading figure in the U.S. State Department said. “But in any case,” he stressed, “Israel must withdraw to the 1967 boundaries.”

Britain’s Chatham House, the (pro-Arab) Royal Institute of International Affairs, found it worthy to invite me to present my ideas on the subject, followed by an official publication, which also included other ideas to solve the Palestinian problem.

The Israeli government has not yet officially commented on the Egyptian president’s willingness and Abbas’ rejection. It also seems that official Israel is still in shock from Sissi’s revolutionary move, which does not cease to surprise us. This time he’s willing to give territory to the Palestinians and relieve Israel of sole responsibility for the problem.

If Sissi had presented his proposal at the Herzliya Conference, it’s reasonable to assume that some participants — who are part of Israel’s security, economic, academic and political establishment — would have considered him strange, or worse.

 

And Egypt gains.....what, exactly by this proposal?

 

A return of tourists to Sinai? A reduction in weapons smuggling through their territory? International clout and prestige?

 

Don't know enough about the first to comment, don't see how it helps the second one that much ( given that I highly doubt the Palestinians would just take this Egyptian land and go "Okay Israel we cool now"), and the third is meaningless for a lesser power like Egypt.

That article, at the end of the day, goes back to one of the basic flaws when we discuss this entire conflict - that for some reason we think that the rest of the Middle East cares so much about poor Palestine's plight.

They don't.

 

he left occupied Palastain , to live somewhere else,so give 'm some credit

 

Egypt is the most populous country in the Arab world and rightfully sees itself as a regional power, in a four way competition with Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. That goes a long way toward explaining why it's leaders do a lot of things, which is not even to mention the fact that it shares a border with Gaza.

 

Amira Hass is in a class of her own. She's the only Israeli that regularly reports from Gaza and the West Bank, and she doesn't give a damn if what she reports upsets anyone's official narrative. She's pretty much hated as much by Hamas and the PA as she is by the Israeli government, and for the few neo-cons that bother to read her, they hate her for being a red diaper baby.

 

All good news from Israel, people speaking up. Similar stuff going on in Gaza, with residents beginning to refuse renting property to Hamas-affiliated people and protesting Hamas' pointless behavior. That's a huge step given it could make them targets of the most powerful group of people in their territory. Most of the Arab league turned their backs on Hamas as well, which is a helpful step.

Also, the rest of the Middle East cares very deeply about Palestinians, they just don't have any power to make any changes. That's not necessarily a good thing, but it's a true thing. Virtually all Arabs care about Palestine more than they care about any country other their own. The Arab League has the power to make changes, and though they don't genuinely care about Palestinians, they are taking steps to fix the situation to their liking.