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Former Astros Tracking Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by torque, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. Nook

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    Berkman.... whatever.

    An elite hitter than should have been even better......... he alienated a lot of the baseball people around him, having Bagwell drag you around like a puppy dog only gets you so far.
     
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  2. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    On the baseball diamond, he's one of the best hitters ever to play the game. Defense and longevity, not so much.
     
  3. bigdaddy

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    I understand you are an insider when it comes to the subject of Berkman but it’s getting a little old. Just my opinion, I do enjoy reading your insight, I have heard a different opinion than yours on the subject, maybe you could back off responding in a negative light anytime Berkman’s name is brought up.
     
  4. Nook

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    He should be judged by what he did on the field and he is a borderline Hall of Famer based on his production. He may have to wait awhile because of politics.

    I don’t know how he didn’t hit 500 homers or win an MVP, but even with all his personality warts he had 9-10 straight elite seasons in a row. Even without longevity, at some point he likely gets in.
     
  5. No Worries

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    Arguably Berkman should have won a WS MVP.
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

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    Mike Hampton pitched for the Rockies for 2 seasons 16 years ago, hasn't pitched in MLB since 2010, and Colorado made their final payment to him yesterday.
     
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    o_O
     
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  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Matt Maloney faints
     
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  10. Buck Turgidson

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    Bobby Bonilla wonders "what do you mean, 'final payment'?"
     
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  11. msn

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    Then bring up Ausmus's mythical work ethic. ;-)
     
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    Carlos Beltran To Join Yankees Front Office

     
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    Odd trade.
     
  15. Nook

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    He didn’t spend a lot of time working out or even studying pitchers. He is a lot like Battier... smart and efficient.

    Roger Clemens was an ass, but he set a great example and worked extremely hard.
     
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    Gamel and Santana are a weird swap. At least G can play a bit of OF.

    The pitcher Seattle traded looks to potentially be the best player in the deal.
     
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    I wouldn't say he set a great example...
     
  18. No Worries

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    Did't Roger put Icy Hot on his nads before every start?
     
  19. Nook

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    He was always the first player in the ballpark and he had a very regimented routine with Pettite. He worked with a lot of the pitchers as well. He busted his butt.

    As far as steroids and HGH goes, a majority of players were using or had used at one point. I don’t like it, but it doesn’t take away from his incredible work ethic... especially by a guy that was already 40 and so accomplished. The players on the roster also really respected him.

    I am not saying that Clemens was some sort of wonderful person, only that he was very dedicated and helped his teammates a lot.
     
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    You tend to get more energy for that sort of work ethic via juicing... especially when you’re at an age where you should be on the decline.
     

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