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Current GOP/Trump Supporters in a Nutshell

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by crossover, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. Space Ghost

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    Im not surprised you do not understand this. There are those who believe Trump is an unacceptable candidate and should be impeached regardless if he's committed a crime, even if a more right winged Pence takes his place. In the same breath, those same people think Hillary is an "acceptable' candidate. News flash. They are both despicable. They are both unacceptable. Unfortunately these are the only two choices we are given since majority of the people in this country are so loyal to their parties.

    There are those of us who are very anti-socialistic who would still vote for Bernie because he is a genuine respectable person, unlike Hillary and Trump. I am not worried about Bernies socialistic agenda because they would never pass. I also do not have to worry about Bernie trying to sell out to our foreign and domestic adversaries like Hillary and Trump. And Bernie would actually try to do something about Healthcare instead of passing legislation that is doomed to fail from the start or giving out hollow promises.

    Bickering, disagreement and sarcasm aside, I too find this very interesting. I can only attest to who I know I voted for. And I know plenty of people who voted for Johnson too who would have no reason to lie to me. I too would have imagined Johnson getting something much higher ... like closer to 10%.

    So its either:
    -massive amounts of people did vote for Johnson but they were not counted/ignored (highly unlikely)
    -Voters lying about who they really voted for (more likely)
    -Independent voters tend to be in the same circles/independent voters are more vocal (most likely)
     
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  2. Svpernaut

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    The "Anyone but Hillary" movement was quite significant, and it featured people from all over the political spectrum. Hillary had made many enemies throughout her political career on the left, including:
    • She was openly anti-gay marriage until the 2008 election season, so many in the LGBT community didn't vote for her
    • Many classic Liberals were turned off by her dirty tactics in the 2008 election season trashing Obama
    • She clearly conspired with the DNC to silence Bernie voters, so many of his supporters voted 3rd party or for Trump
    • Liberals who despised Washington elitism and the status quo opted to not vote for her
    You're right. Hillary was the wrong candidate for the DNC, and Trump was the wrong candidate for Trump. We have Trump because no one wanted a classic Washington elitist and people voted for the "lesser of two evils" in many ways. America deserved better candidates on both sides, and the Liberals who refused to believe that are delusional. If Hillary was the right DNC candidate, she would have had no problem beating a wildcard like Trump. The GOP is well aware that they screwed up with Trump, as many GOP politicians have sparred with Trump since he took office, and I can assure you they won't ignore wildcards in the future during the primaries.

    As far as Gary Johnson goes, his candidacy gained a lot of momentum for the same reasons, "anyone but Hillary" and "anti establishment" voters who despised Trump opted to go third party. However, when it came down to election day, some people just couldn't got through with it. I know many Republicans personally who didn't want to vote for Trump, but Hillary simply wasn't an option - so they voted for Trump to insure that Hillary wasn't President. I am certain 3rd party voters, including Bernie voters who said "anyone but Hillary" opted to vote for her because Trump was a wildcard.

    I personally voted for Gary Johnson, as I wanted a third party candidate to get the 5% needed to get into the next election cycle's debates. Sadly, until third party candidates can get a fair shake in the debates, we will keep the broken two-party system we have now. Both sides don't want a 3rd party, and that is the very reason we should be trying to lift up a 3rd party. Right now, the DNC and the GOP go unchecked and the quality of candidates that they nominated for the presidential election is proof of that..
     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    I agree with the second part of your post (I'd agree most likely people are not admitting who they voted for... just like I think the early polling under counted trump voters who didn't admit they supported him).

    The first part... I agree with parts but not all. In your continued defense of trump you attempt to paint trump critics as "wanting him to be impeached regardless of if he did anything or not." I am perhaps trump's biggest critic here and I have said numerous times I don't want him impeached unless it is clearly proven he was guilty of high crimes and treason (the standard which must be met for impeachment). The reason I don't favor impeachment is that there are many trump voters who would feel their votes were taken away from them. Clear proof is required... hence Mueller's investigation is so important to be allowed to be completed.

    Second... should trump be impeached... pence would not be able to enact "more right-winged" policy. You just have to look back at Ford's presidency... and Gerald Ford was a very respected well-liked compared to pence. Instead, pence would be under tight controls by congress. And the next president would likely be elected based on ethics, morals, and respectability.

    btw, I haven't criticized Sanders voters for voting for their candidate. Voting for the candidate you think best represents you is what democracy is all about. I voted for Clinton. Could there have been better candidates (ie Biden?). Sure... but he didn't run.

    Last, surprised more "didn't vote for trump" trump voters say they voted for Evan McMullin. He seemed to have some serious positions (Johnson seemed a bit goofy to me).
     
  4. NewRoxFan

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    On trump's favorite news source:



     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    your experience means absolutely nothing compared to studies done on the subject. I know you view this as sticking up for your tribe, but it is what it is
     
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  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    Feel free to present the studies to which you refer. Until then, my experience is just as valid as your baseless claims.

    My "tribe" is Libertarian.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL oh yeah, you do keep saying that despite the fact that pretty much everything about you suggests otherwise. You've yet to demonstrate ANY libertarian beliefs in all the years you've been going on with that shtick. Your actions say authoritarian leftist.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Gary Johnson almost got me to vote, but I opted against voting at all this time around. When it comes to 2 party dominance, that's built into the system the US has. There can never be 3 or more viable parties long term with this system, eventually 2 will ALWAYS dominate. Now you can have a new party rise up and knock one of the old 2 off, that has happened a few times in the past and could happen again, but you'd still just end up with 2.
     
  9. foh

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    Voting for this tongue wagging guy or traitor-Stein is a fine way to protest.
    Seems like petulance is having a lot of effect on politics these days.
    No wonder Trump is having such an unbelievable success.
    He is the poster child of petulance.

    Bobby, didn't Trump just subvert republican party into Trumpism party? Old guard retiring/ousted. Freedom Caucus taking over. And here is a funny ad by Ron Desantis supporting this point (look at comments if you think this is a parody):


     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah he pretty much did, and I'd be REALLY upset about that if I was a Republican, but I'm not and haven't ever been. As to the "old guard" being ousted, I think that can be a good thing if they move on from the Trump BS fairly quickly and into a fiscally responsible party that is socially libertarian....something that they aren't right now, but should be. Hell if they did that, I'd become a Republican.

    The problem with the Libertarian party is that they always pick wack job candidates who do them a disservice. I mean, you had Gary Johnson this time around, you had Bob Barr.....who was running on a platform of striking down basically every piece of legislation that he personally helped pass back when he was in office as a "religious right" type.

    I mean, in a perfect world libertarians would have legitimate candidates to vote for but the Libertarian party is a disgrace......just like the major 2 parties.
     
  11. Svpernaut

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    Judging a candidate from one interview says a lot more about you, than it does anyone who voted for him. Gary Johnson was an extremely successful two-term governor of New Mexico, and a man with pragmatic solutions to many of our complex problems. He is one of the few politicians that has been able to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social liberal programs.

    The point of a third party isn't necessarily to become a dominant force, it is to keep the two major parties in check. Think of it this way, if Gary Johnson could have gotten into the debates, he likely would have received upwards of 15-20% of the votes (as Perot did in 1992 and 1996). This is important, because it would require the other two candidates to think more moderately with their views. 40% of the country is moderates, and at the moment the die-hards are dictating the candidates, and policies. A third party can help equal that playing field and help reduce partisanship. Both parties would have to learn to cater more to the moderates.
     
  12. Svpernaut

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    The problem with the Libertarian party is it is splintered. You have the true libertarians, those two tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and then you have the crazy, back woods jackasses who thinks there should be no regulations and it should be the wild west. Sadly, the crazy ones drown out the pragmatic ones... that perception has changed slightly for the better in recent years, but it isn't going to happen over night.
     
  13. foh

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    If he was so pragmatic, he would have definitely held his tongue in check... This alone would have killed all his chances - I think that may have killed even Trump's chances in American political reality, where image is absolutely everything.
    If H Clinton was a man, she would've definitely won. Identity politics, my friend.
    Johnson had enough gaffes to make him un-electable and at the time I checked out his positions too and I'm quite sure some of them were not at all pragmatic (I think his foreign policy was a big culprit).
    I'm sorry that you didn't get your coveted 5%. Out of curiosity, how did his debate with Stein go? I didn't watch. Didn't want to support russian propaganda outlet. Ever wonder why russian tv would host something like that?

     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    Then either you're not able to comprehend the written word or you don't know anything about libertarianism.

    You've never seen any "actions," just the things I have written here.

    I'm sorry you refuse to understand, but that's your problem.
     
  15. Cohete Rojo

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    Japan has almost no need to worry about domestic terrorism nor below-population-replacement birth-rates (the often cited need for such mass immigration in Western Europe).

    There is strength in unity, not “diversity”.

     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    What does that say about America? Most of our terrorism these days isn't coming from radical Islamic immigrants even though Trump lied about it when he cited an unreal DOJ quote.
     
  17. Svpernaut

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    This is the biggest problem on CF D&D, your experiences don't mean a damn thing. Facts are all that matters, keep the conjecture out of it.

    This isn't a valid comparison. A reduction in foreign terrorist attacks on US soil is a byproduct of preventative measures. And don't forget, an immigrant terrorist was just arrested this week training kids at a terrorist compound. (Siraj Wahhaj).

    Trump's rhetoric is ridiculous, but to act like radical Islamists aren't a problem is also disingenuous... but they are no more a threat than the likes of Antifa and the Alt-Right.
     
  18. NewRoxFan

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    You have a problem with facts? Gee... we are really in the trump era... where facts don't matter, and conjecture is the basis for decisions.
     
  19. Svpernaut

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    So, in an effort to fight ignorance, your decision is to use ignorance? I'll never understand that logic.Just because others are doing it wrong, doesn't mean you have to.
     
  20. NewRoxFan

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    Ignoring facts, or creating alternate facts, is what got us trump. You wish to fight ignorance... start there.
     

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