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Current GOP/Trump Supporters in a Nutshell

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by crossover, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. crossover

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    That formula has worked since the days of Abraham, not lincoln the other older dude that lived for 175 years from Genesis. We need Abraham's Medcare!

    Did you know... that the EEUU has only been at peace, no wars, for just around 20 years? For comparison, Adrian Beltre is going 20 years in his mlb career.
     
  3. Rocket River

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    I think this is another way of saying
    The Party of Treasonous Traitors

    Rocket River
     
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    The truth has been shown more so since he has been in office.
     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    Welcome to russia... and the new republican party.

    https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/americans-views-media-2018-08-07
     
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  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Not surprised by this at all. The hate for the left (aka brown people) is great enough that they would side with out greatest enemy
     
  7. Svpernaut

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    Plenty of Republicans despise Trump's rhetoric... but the rhetoric also goes both ways. For every alt-righter, you have an SJW or ANTIFA member. The vast majority of the country is moderate with slight leanings left or right, but the media only covers or portrays the extremists. Party allegiance is the problem, and both sides are to blame... and Trump is the biggest culprit at this point with his childish antics.
     
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    You are comparing (contrasting) rhetoric from the president of the United States to Antifa or SJWs? You sure you want to to that?
     
  9. Svpernaut

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    Rhetoric is rhetoric. There is plenty of toxic rhetoric from people on the left as well. Trump is an idiot, I'm not disputing that, but to act like the left is void of their fair share of idiocy is ridiculous.

    Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jonathan Gruber, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Barbara Lee, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Barbara Boxer, the list goes on. Plenty on the left spew toxic rhetoric. It is okay to admit that, you don't lose your Democratic registration doing so.
     
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    Nah. The country is not as "moderate" as before. More and more people are drifting towards the extremes. Elections are becoming increasingly about getting out the core vote instead of appealing to swing voters (whose numbers are declining).

    About these "plenty of Republicans" who despise Trump's rhetoric: Are they too scared to say anything? If so, they are worthless. It's Trump's party now. At this point, the takeover seems complete. It's truly a phenomenon I never thought possible.
     
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    You're just wrong. Nearly 40% of America considers themselves moderate (the majority). Last year, Gallup found that 36% of the US considers themselves Conservative, while only 25% considers themselves Liberal with the 10% difference is likely because of evangelicals. Most moderates lean fiscally conservative, but are socially liberal (women's rights, gay rights, healthcare, etc.).

    All you hear from are the radicals, because they are the ones who scream the loudest. The fact that election cycles go back and forth is further proof that America is moderate. That's the problem, people think America is being radicalized when in reality the majority of Americans are just watching the train wreck as the crazies from both sides go at each other's throats.

    Most people who voted for Trump, are just as tired of his rhetoric as the left, and the upcoming elections will prove just that, and they almost did in Ohio yesterday - in a seat that the GOP has held for over 35 years. The crazies on the right are screaming "fake news," while the crazies on the left are failing to realize that not everyone who voted for Trump, is okay with his job thus far.

    Both sides are too busy trying to be right, that they completely miss out on doing what is right.
     
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    The radicals have always screamed the loudest. That has not changed. What HAS changed is how campaigns are run. In 2018, appeals to the center are fewer and appeals to the extremes have clearly increased. IMO, there are a good number of people who like to believe they are "moderate" but are not.

    We will see about your predictions for upcoming elections. I have a hunch the Dems won't do as well as they think, but it's way too early to have a clue. They will likely win the House though.
     
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    Lefty Leftists crying again because they just can't win.
     
  14. Svpernaut

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    Your opinion is wrong, at least according to pretty much every polling company, political analyst, and just about every single data metric we have on America's political demographics. Moderates don't mean right down the middle, it means they lean in the middle and aren't tied to party lines. Most people aren't die hard Liberal or Conservative, they just aren't. Social media has just given every person a megaphone, and editorialized "news" feeds off of the division.

    CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and the like aren't news organizations, they are editorial and talking head organizations. They don't report the news, they report on how people react to the news - look at the ridiculous "tweet reaction" segments and inclusions they have. Watch PBS news hour or BBC news readers one day, and compare it to what you see on US cable news, the difference is night and day.

    Partisanship is our problem, and the minorities on the left and right, hurt the majority in the middle with their rhetoric. Posts exactly like the OPs is the problem. Instead of looking at what is wrong with their own party, they criticize the other. It gets us nowhere, vitriol just breeds inaction.
     
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    Hmm... the fact you had to dip into Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (and Jonathan Gruber? Seriously??) suggests there really isn't a current Democrat that is comparable in hateful, toxic rhetoric as the current president and leader of the republican party. The "idiot" can set policy with executive orders, can name judges that effect how justice is delivered, and can encourage many people to think, speak, and act like him.

    Worst, there has never been a president who outright lies as often as trump. At any and all times, and in any situation. He has lied about getting Korean War remains and getting an agreement to reduce nuclear proliferation. He has lied about meetings he and people in his admin have had with Russia. Heck, pick a subject and he has lied about it. And we are not talking about aspirational mistruths like "No new taxes" "or "You can keep your doctor"... but we are talking about thousands or lies.

    Heck... just today:


    And just last night in a short dinner he had with business leaders:

     
  16. Svpernaut

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    You're speaking in an echo chamber,that's the point. The only thing shouting down either side does, is rallying the same troops that you already have. You don't win any moderate hearts. We are here because of partisanship, and until both the left and right realize that, we'll repeat this vicious cycle every 2-4 years during election season.

    We have Donald Trump, because the Democrats ostracized a giant portion of their base (Bernie Voters) - all in the name of maintaining the partisan status quo.
     
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    Nah. Democrats couldn’t just hold their nose and vote like the GOP did. Hillary Clinton was the most moderate candidate in 2016, but the GOP worked hard to set the Clinton narrative.
     
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    The biggest issue with Hillary was that the GOP knew that she would be the eventual DNC candidate for President a decade out this they unleshed the GOP attkac machine for a decade(Benghazi for example). On top of that the foreign nation that was attempting to influence our eleckgion did not want Hillary thus they used WikiLeaks to slowly trickle private correspondences of one party throughout the course of the election.
     
  19. Astrodome

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    Hateful thread OP. Let's try to get along.

     
  20. NewRoxFan

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    No... republicans nominated and then voted for trump (out of a list of more qualified and better candidates)... and continue to enable and support him. Interesting you complain about both parties becoming more extreme and that people don't appeal to moderates... then try to blame Democrats for not nominating the more left-wing of the two Democrat candidates running in the primary.

    And no... there has never been a sitting president as divisive as trump. My worry... the Democrat that becomes president next will be as if not more divisive.
     
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