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Breaking: Trump's Wall

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Dec 18, 2018.

  1. No Worries

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    A boon for the angle grinder manufacturers?
     
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    Speaking as a moderate having a moderate Democrat isn't about converting over hard core Trump supporters. It is about winning over voters who might not like Trump but are uneasy about the turn towards Socialism that the Leftwing of the Democrats are espousing. They might not vote for Trump but they might not vote at all. This argument that the Democrats need to get more left to energize their base to get people turned out doesn't work when considering geographic distribution. The Democrats could win every single vote in CA, NY, and IL and still lose. They could win a million more votes in Texas by rolling up Houston, Austin and Dallas and still lose Texas and the election. As we saw last Tuesday the key to victory is in the suburbs and in the suburbs in WI, PA, MI, NC, and Az. Those voters are interested in health care but not into a Warren style plan that doesn't allow them to choose their own private healthcare. They're interested in gun control but not a Beto plan that confiscates weapons. They believe income inequality is a good thing but aren't out to demonize the rich. That is who the Democrats need to be worried about. Not the residents Ilhan Omar or AOC's districts.
     
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    Trump did promise to create jobs in places like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania....
     
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    I mean, this is pretty much how people like @bigtexxx think. They love to spend billions on something they can feel good about even through any halfbrain with a $100 can go to home depot to defeat it. This is why American is in decline, the right is proud of their stupidity.
     
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    And yet, the moderate areas such as the Rust Belt went to Trump in 2016. There are somethings more important to certain folks who may or may not vote and those people will vote for the big ideas and not concern themselves with individual policies and their specifics. If they see a leader who will stick it to the establishment, especially if it is a way that will look out for the little guy, then they will gravitate and vote for that person. Warren has made a history and has a track record of doing that. Trump's policy positions weren't what excited the voters that helped him carry states in the Rust Belt. It was the fact that someone spoke to looking after them and shaking up the establishment. They felt he would really help tear down the establishment.

    I honestly don't think most voters who are moderate, conservative or liberal care about being able to choose private insurance. They care about being able to choose their own doctor and see the specialists they need. People don't love Blue Cross or any other insurance company because it is Blue Cross. They love it because the doctors they want to patronize are covered by that insurance. Warren's plan will allow them to choose the doctors they want, see specialists without having to get a referral, go to the hospital they want to go to. This ability to choose has yet to really be publicized. Once that part of her plan gets more publicity, I think it will ease a lot of people's fears.

    Will Warren scare some moderates away with her policies? Yes.
    Will Warren scare away all moderates away with her policies? No. There are enough that understand that Congress still has to pass any legislation and they won't pass her most extreme proposals in the way they are discussed during the primary or even the general election. Other moderates understand that even someone who isn't moderate is still more aligned to their political policy preferences than Trump is and abhor the corruption, incompetence, and lack of integrity behind Trump. They will hold their noses and cast the 'anybody but Trump' vote.

    The key is if they can inspire enough other voters who normally wouldn't vote or sit out elections to come to the polls to make up for the small number of moderates who don't understand how legislation actually works and will be scared off by a more progressive candidate.
     
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    LOL... I wonder how many millions were diverted from the troops to mend fences?

     
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    I wonder why Republicans are more enabling for Trump's wacko promises oh he doesn't mean it... He wants to set a ceiling for his future deal, when these Dem candidates are taken literally.

    Look at the sucker optics for Obama when he tried to moderate negotiation and deal making for his healthcare process only for the vote to end up hyper partisan anyways.

    Not only that, he still made out to be "the most dangerous liberal leaning" president ever.

    My guess is that both sides know libs eat their own and that is used accordingly and openly.

    But it's not great for getting bills out.

    Choosing your healthcare* is the biggest Con pulled over people's eyes over the last 70 years. The poor and elderly have government assistance. Employed Americans with a salary generally get theirs from their company. So how much of the population does real choice genuinely apply to?

    I get the choice of choosing what my employer is offering. Three flavors of ice cream... Ben n Jerry's, blue Bell (regional) and Kroger Brand. Doesn't matter if I like haagen daas.

    But hey, I get the principle of FREEDOMZ without tasting whatever flavors ny or fl is serving.

    Woo Hoo.

    I feel GREAT.

    *Let's not even get into the amount of research and industry knowledge one has to go through to sift through those Obamacare providers that are off the beaten track and purposely vague.
     
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    In 2016, Hillary Clinton was the issue not moderate vs progressive in my opinion. And let's be honest, Trump and the GOP are much better at being Machiavellian.
     
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    How about this? Everybody go vote your own conscience in the primary and we roll with whoever the nominee is.

    The thing that gets me the most is that Trump was bragging about how they had US Special Forces test these prototypes and they couldn't defeat it. I recognize it's just his own lying and braggadocio at fault here, but he makes our guys look like idiots.
     
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    Perefect person for the job... well, since ivanka was too busy working on solving the deficit.

     
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    More likely, military families will have to live in substandard housing, send their children to crowded school, aging schools, all so trump can get his hugely expensive yet ineffective vanity wall built...

     
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    Apparently, ted cruz doesn't like presidents that act like dictators and take trillions of dollars to pay off student's school loans, but is fine with presidents that act like dictators and take trillions of dollars from the military to build vanity walls...

     
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    Pretty pathetic that cannot be done with the remaining $710 billion or so in the defense budget. Whether you agree with the wall or not I don't see why there should be a want of anything with a budget that outrageously massive.
     
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    Yep, pretty pathetic I'd say...

    Pentagon pulls funds for military schools, daycare to pay for Trump’s border wall
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/04/pen...ry-schools-to-pay-for-trumps-border-wall.html

    These Are The Military Projects Losing Funding To Trump's Border Wall
    List of projects losing funding: https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6382249-50-States-and-Territories-Projects
     
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    Why does Captain Bone Spurs hate our military?
     
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    But at least he's doin somethin!!! Unlike that boy Obummer!
     
  19. NewRoxFan

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    LOL... in a campaign speech last night in NJ, trump trots out the ridiculous "Mexico is paying for the wall" lie.

     
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    BOY!!!!

    Yeah you just exposed yourself very nicely...

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