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Another day another mass shooting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AleksandarN, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    If you believe the solution to corruption, government tyranny, oppressive law enforcement is firearms, then you have some severe cognitive dissonance issues when you follow that up with "killing someone isn't the answer to corrupt law enforcement".
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but what do mean?
     
  3. BruceAndre

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    That occasional public violence may be the price you pay for having a free society.

    Freedom and security are, to a large degree, mutually exclusive.

    Look at what is being proposed: the red flag laws and the rest.

    Are we not on our way to “Minority Report”? You know, where they go ahead and arrest you ahead of time; before any crime is committed. Just because, don’t you know, someone somewhere had some kind of hunch about something. That is where we are headed, if this stuff passes.
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    I've had this argument about the historical examples, probably with you, and don't really want to go through it again. I don't believe guns would have helped anyone in any of those other examples.

    Fast forward to the false binary of freedom vs security. There's some correlation between the two, but both are on a spectrum. Having to choose between them, I would take security first, as apparently most people do considering how so many dictatorships are born out of a lack of security. Freedom vs security is at the center of a lot of social contract thought. The idea that underpins government is that people chose together to give up some of their freedoms to get security. And, in fact, that security actually empowers people, frees people, to do things they could not do in a lawless environment because their risks are mitigated (things like going to shop at Walmart). Once you have the security, then you go about building the structures that we have, like rule of law, representative democracy, etc, that can maximize your freedom while still ensuring your security. You go ahead and smugly pick your liberty and disdain security, but you'll soon be dead that way. You can't be free if you're dead. Nor can you be free when you're in genuine fear that somebody is going to blow you away at any moment.
     
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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    now do the NRA next.
     
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  8. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Oh lord.
     
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    Maybe trump didn't know what background checks were?

     
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    Yawn. Ole Franklins wig would explode if he saw the modern world.

    Next you’ll tell me the Bill of Rights should never change.
     
  12. biff17

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    That's not why they arrested people in minority report.

    You probably never actually watched that movie.

    Red flag laws are not about arresting anybody.
     
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    The President's rhetoric is causing all of this. He must be removed from office. The Country needs a real leader like Mr. Sanders or Mr. O'Rourke.
     
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    Shooting on I10 today. Man got out of his car and started shooting at random cars. 2 dead
     
  15. CometsWin

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    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Do you do this with any other ideologically motivated terrorist attacks? Like do you bring up crime data in Chicago when an Islamic extremist goes on an ideologically motivated rampage or do you suddenly care about the ideology then?
     
  19. mick fry

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    We need tighter knife laws.
     
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    Nah I just see this guy as an evil person and hold him solely responsible for his actions.
     

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