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Adam Silver on officiating issues

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by OTMax, Jan 16, 2018.

  1. celebrevida

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    Players are part of the problem. From ref baiting to flopping, they are making the referees job a lot harder than it would otherwise be.

    I don't actually think officiating is worse than before. I just think that with much better camera angles and social media spreading criticism, it just seems that way. Also players and coaches now actively work the refs more than before.

    Bottom line is you're just not going to get every call right. And there are also tons of calls where even with replay half the people diametrically disagree based on their fandom/hatedom.
     
  2. napalm06

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    You're exactly right. But there's a blend. Refs have to learn not to blow the whistle on every head fake and every time someone slips and falls, or the players will abuse it.
     
  3. durvasa

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    Great post. I 100% agree.
     
  4. OTMax

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    It's definitely not worse, top players are just more whiny so it's brought to the attention now. Warriors in particular and they have zero reason to whine with how they've been getting away for years with moving screens, physical and dirty play - mainly Green and Bogut.

    Flopping is a bigger problem than the refs, it's a league problem. However, if they repeatedly reward obvious flops and the flopping rules and fines are not enforced, of course it will continue. I don't think it will change, since the refs in this age of social media with everything under scrutiny will make calls based on what looks like happened instead of what actually happened.

    It's all much bigger than the refs and or the players.
     
  5. Entropy

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    So in other words, he and his las vegas cronies need the refs to keep doing what they're doing. Got it.
     
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    What a crock. I'll maintain that its not humanly possible for the refs to catch everything that's going on on the court.
    Since they can't catch it all, through no fault of their own, the only solution I see is to:
    a) add more refs and/or
    b) utilize the available technology to ease their burden

    Until I see something done along these lines, I won't believe the NBA is truly serious about improving this issue
     
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  9. celebrevida

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    That's easy to say when you are viewing things from multiple camera angles in slow motion replay. It's not easy to do when you're doing it in real time, on the floor and often not with the best views and have to make split second calls or non-calls.

    Even then half the people agree or disagree based on their rooting interest in many of these so-called missed calls despite slow motion multi camera replay.
     
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    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Mistakes are a given. Why not, like the NFL, have a system that allow coaches to protest. Leverage technology for review. Then fan can get on the coaches for not doing their job.
     
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    case in point the obvious goaltend where ball hit glass before it was touched @LAC right before blake elbowed pringles. no excuse to miss that call off live action, that is basic bball 101 even a young child would immediately catch.
     
  12. Shroopy2

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    I'm more convinced it's all the SAME collective voice of pissboys that bashes referees, bashes every sport for being too "soft", bashes Dana White, Vince Mcmahon for mismanagement, bashes the movie industry, bashes Star Wars, bashes all music for being too "poppy" and not talking about the same 15 significant classic rock bands from the 50s to 80's, bashes "console gaming", bashes DC Comics, bashes everything for the "sjw agenda", bashes beer for not being beer enough ...(etc)...Everywhere you go it's the same aggro tone, like it's an isolated issue but really it's everything

    Basically, the refs are good enough. As are most things out there. Lack of joy in life is YOUR OWN problem lol.
     
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    Thanks for the up-date J.R.! Now let's see if there's a follow thru on this.
     
  16. plee

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    I've been say/thinking this for awhile now...teams get one review per half and if correct you don't lose it. Pretty simple to implement since they already have the "replay" system in place.
     
  17. what

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    Let's have no refs and let's let the player call fouls. That's basically what they want anyway.
     
  18. OTMax

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    Hahahahah what a joke, so basically more talking and not getting to any solutions like what most people "do" as a job.
     
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    so then basically vegas chugs right on status quo
     
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    NBA players, referees discuss rising issues, agree to improve communication

    LOS ANGELES -- A small group of NBA referees and players held a meeting Saturday, working to relieve mounting tension between the sides.

    The meeting included three players, three referees and officials from both the referees' union and the players' union. Among the items agreed on was establishing a direct communication line between the two unions that would not involve the NBA league office to address issues that arise between the sides, the unions announced in a joint statement.

    There are procedures involving the league office in place, and those will continue. But there was a concern from the unions that sometimes the league office doesn't communicate the same information to referees and players, and that was contributing to the divide, sources told ESPN.

    Technical fouls and ejection rates are flat this season compared to last, with referees calling 0.67 per game after calling 0.63 last season. But for various reasons, the level of discourse about player-referee relationships has increased significantly. Several high-profile players, such as Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook and Draymond Green, are on pace to receive suspensions for technical foul totals. There has also been some surprise ejections, such as the first of LeBron James' career.

    Several issues that have been causing friction were raised during the meeting. One, sources told ESPN, is the referees' enforcement of the so-called "respect for the game" rules. These rules were introduced by the NBA in 2010 and updated in 2015 and were aimed at limiting players' reactions to referee decisions, among other issues.

    Both unions, however, believe the current rules aren't effectively being communicated. A large percentage of technical fouls are called for violating these guidelines. Officials believe they are enforcing the rules, but players don't always feel they are breaking them because there isn't a shared understanding, sources said. The referees acknowledged that they have sometimes been inconsistent in the application of these rules, sources said.

    Another issue addressed was the relationship between younger officials and players, which has been deteriorating at times this season. The sides discussed differing levels of respect that exist based on the experience of a referee and a player and how those can be mitigated.

    Referees and players also discussed techniques for dealing with each other within games. For example, one of the actions discussed was referees giving the so-called "stop hand" to players during disagreements. While this is taught to referees as a way to diffuse a situation, it has been taken as offensive by players who want to have more of an open back-and-forth. Overall, the sides would like more open discussion of various hand signals and techniques.

    The unions agreed to have more meetings in the future.

    The league itself was not represented at the meeting and was not involved in setting it up. The NBA did recently announce a five-point plan to improve player-referee relationships and is currently conducting meetings with teams across the league.

    "I think it's fantastic and a great statement about this league that these important stakeholders in this case, our players and the officials, think it's important enough and they have an obligation to the game where they should be sitting down and talking to each other," NBA commissioner Adam Silver said Saturday. "Because at the end of the day, I mean, as I've said before, I've never thought this was just about ratcheting up fines. I think that there's a larger issue in play here, and almost one that's a little societal in we owe it to young fans who are watching, we owe it to young people who get enormous satisfaction out of sports, to see that we truly can get along and be respectful and empathetic.

    "The fact that these two groups want to sit down with each other and say how can we both do a better job, how can we create a better understanding, is fantastic."

    The NBA's referee operations department is in the first year of an overhaul, as several long-time executives recently left the company or were reassigned. It hired retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Michelle Johnson as head of referees operations and promoted well-respected referee Monty McCutchen to head of development and training.​
     

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