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3rd Attempt: GOP/Trump Repeal & Replace ACA and Trump lie about pre-exist coverage

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Apr 30, 2017.

  1. JuanValdez

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    Those systems have been benefiting from the US system funding medical R&D. I'm not sure where innovation comes from if you eliminate the last big incentive-based market. Well, I guess I do; it's China. And maybe that's alright.

    There's an interesting alternative. Treat the healthcare industry like a utility; make them file rate cases, and allow them cost recovery for capital expenses with a safe but not excessive return on top.
     
  2. Air Langhi

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    All the big pharma companies spend little money on r+d.
     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol... because trying to keep people healthy is much cheaper than waiting until they qualify for Medicare to start...

    My issue is those on Medicare who will be getting at least 3 times the benefits they put in without having to be responsible for keeping care of themselves.

    There's a reason why, despite mass boomer retirement right around the corner, no one is talking about medicare. I say end Medicare and let those folks try their luck on the private market since they are against healthcare for the rest.
     
  4. glynch

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    They spend a lot more on advertising and copy cat drugs that play the patent system.
     
  5. pirc1

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    Many conservatives are more interested in their ideals than solving the actual healthcare problems.
     
  6. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    This isn't gonna pass. I'm thinking the GOP would rather gamble on the ACA dying on it's own than having to go back home and explain to people how they just killed their medicare.
     
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    Them trying to force this bill through a tight ******* makes me believe they don't actually believe in the ACA is an epic disaster rhetoric.
     
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    And that reflects the Monday change to get more people covered. 22 million more uninsured people by 2026.
     
  10. pirc1

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    Hey it is an improvement over the 23 million from the house bill, if they work this twenty more times, it might just do as well as Obamacare.
     
  11. NewRoxFan

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    Yea, I guess its slightly less mean...
     
  12. justtxyank

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    More alarming is that the CBO says 18 million will lose coverage in 2018. That's like next enrollment dude!

    I haven't analyzed it but I wonder what the trigger for that is. Are they just saying because cost will go up so much or what?
     
  13. Commodore

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    given all their predictions about ACA have been wildly wrong, why do people give CBO any credibility?

    heh

     
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  14. NewRoxFan

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    Funny how Trump and his supporters decide CBO is so inaccurate when they are on the clock. Also funny that Trump's guy (Price) helped choose the CBO Director. But as much the wealth care plan developers want to avoid the CBO score, in general the CBO has been reasonably accurate overall in their work... after all, it is a prediction.
     
  15. KingCheetah

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    Seven years or so to work on this and we are in full on Charlie Foxtrot mode 72 hours before the current deadline.
     
  16. NewRoxFan

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    The republican senators (and congressmen) are rushing to get this done before they have to go off on recess and then have to face local voters at townhalls and other events.
     
  17. Amiga

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    Ok.... where's the GOP's metrics for how this will perform....

    Let's compare.... theirs and the CBO.
     
  19. Amiga

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    bad news is fake news
     
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  20. Amiga

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    I see 4M. Where you see 18M?

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    Effects on Health Insurance Coverage:

    CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 15 million more people would be uninsured under this legislation than under current law—primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated. The increase in the number of uninsured people relative to the number projected under current law would reach 19 million in 2020 and 22 million in 2026. In later years, other changes in the legislation—lower spending on Medicaid and substantially smaller average subsidies for coverage in the nongroup market—would also lead to increases in the number of people without health insurance. By 2026, among people under age 65, enrollment in Medicaid would fall by about 16 percent and an estimated 49 million people would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law
     
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