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[2019] SI's Top 100 List (Morey trolling it already)

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  1. YOLO

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    they could definitely challenge either team especially if they build on the sucess they just had with kyrie and hayward returning and continued improvement from tatum, jb, and rozier. they don't really need Anthony davis in that regard. they actually match up very well with both
     
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  2. Deuce

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    J.R., thanks for doing the "team grouping." That was fun to look at.

     
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    I am sure the other teams he is negotiating with would love that list as well. It's a poker game, you try to keep your opponent guessing.
     
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    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24651811/nbarank-2018-19-100-51-best-players-season

    Who will be the best player this season? To get the final prediction, we asked our expert panel to vote on pairs of players.

    We asked, "Which player will be better in 2018-19?" To decide, voters had to consider both the quality and the quantity of each player's contributions to his team's ability to win games.

    100. Al-Farouq Aminu, Portland Trail Blazers(NR)
    99. Evan Fournier, Orlando Magic(NR)
    98. Jeff Teague, Minnesota Timberwolves(73)
    97. Danny Green, Toronto Raptors(59)
    96. Justise Winslow, Miami Heat(NR)
    95. Enes Kanter, New York Knicks(NR)
    94. Darren Collison, Indiana Pacers(NR)
    93. Markelle Fultz, Philadelphia 76ers(86)
    92. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Los Angeles Lakers(74)
    91. Nicolas Batum, Charlotte Hornets(66)
    90. Malcolm Brogdon, Milwaukee Bucks(56)
    89. Domantas Sabonis, Indiana Pacers(NR)
    88. Kelly Olynyk, Miami Heat(NR)
    87. Tyreke Evans, Indiana Pacers(NR)
    86. Thaddeus Young, Indiana Pacers(NR)
    85. Kyle Anderson, Memphis Grizzlies(NR)
    84. Julius Randle, New Orleans Pelicans(NR)
    83. Derrick Favors, Utah Jazz(94)
    82. Terry Rozier, Boston Celtics(NR)
    81. Tim Hardaway Jr., New York Knicks(NR)
    80. DeAndre Jordan, Dallas Mavericks(30)
    79. Harrison Barnes, Dallas Mavericks(58)
    78. Andre Roberson, Oklahoma City Thunder(85)
    77. OG Anunoby, Toronto Raptors(NR)
    76. Spencer Dinwiddie, Brooklyn Nets(NR)
    75. Jusuf Nurkic, Portland Trail Blazers(44)
    74. Fred VanVleet, Toronto Raptors(NR)
    73. Andre Iguodala, Golden State Warriors(43)
    72. Lou Williams, LA Clippers(81)
    71. Kyle Kuzma, Los Angeles Lakers(NR)
    70. Andrew Wiggins, Minnesota Timberwolves(57)
    69. DeMarcus Cousins, Golden State Warriors(17)
    68. Will Barton, Denver Nuggets(NR)
    67. Josh Richardson, Miami Heat(NR)
    66. Lauri Markkanen, Chicago Bulls(NR)
    65. JJ Redick, Philadelphia 76ers(87)
    64. Dejounte Murray, San Antonio Spurs(NR)
    63. Luka Doncic, Dallas Mavericks(NR)
    62. Lonzo Ball, Los Angeles Lakers(63)
    61. Goran Dragic, Miami Heat(47)
    60. Tobias Harris, LA Clippers(NR)
    59. Paul Millsap, Denver Nuggets(27)
    58. Kristaps Porzingis, New York Knicks(22)
    57. Dario Saric, Philadelphia 76ers(NR)
    56. Eric Bledsoe, Milwaukee Bucks(37)
    55. Marcus Smart, Boston Celtics(65)
    54. Brandon Ingram, Los Angeles Lakers(NR)
    53. Joe Ingles, Utah Jazz(NR)
    52. Ricky Rubio, Utah Jazz(48)
    51. Marc Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies(29)    ​
     
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  5. J.R.

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    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...debate-luka-doncic-carmelo-anthony-lonzo-ball

    5. Carmelo Anthony ranked No. 64 in last year's predictions, and he's outside the top 100 this year. Which of the following is most true?

    A. Those results were about right.

    B. Last year's ranking was too favorable.

    C. We are underrating Melo.

    Tim MacMahon: I'll go with A. Melo is a former superstar in decline who needs to adapt his game to be an asset on a contender. He clearly thought his role in OKC negatively impacted his production, but he's at the point of his career where he needs to figure out how he can fit in, not expect to be a focal point. I'd love to see him redefine himself as a sixth man with the Rockets -- yeah, you, Melo -- a role that would make it easier to mask his defensive deficiencies.

    Royce Young: C. Blind taste-test here ...

    A: 17.7 PPG on 44/33/64 shooting split plus 4.4 RPG

    B: 16.4 PPG on 40/36/77 plus 5.8 RPG

    A is Andrew Wiggins, who ranked 71st, and B is Melo. Obviously age is a factor, and Melo is on a serious, apparently personally unaware decline, but he's still a productive player. He's not a good defender -- nor has he ever been -- and his habits can stall an offense. But there seems to be an idea that he's some detrimental NBA player, and that's just not the case. He's not a top-50 player anymore, and maybe not top 75, but now that he's on a minimum contract, it's hard to imagine many GMs taking some other top-100 players over him.

    Chris Herring: Based on numbers alone, B. Carmelo's calling card has always been his offense, yet he had the worst field-goal percentage and worst true shooting percentage in the league last season among the 36 players who took 15 shots a game or more. His one-on-one defense was exploited time and again during the playoffs, where Utah did its best to force him into switch situations along the perimeter, prompting Billy Donovan to limit his playing time in the second halves of that series. He has a chance to be far better in Houston, but if this situation doesn't fit him well, it's hard to imagine that any situation would.

    André Snellings: A. At this time last season, Anthony was a 33-year-old small forward who'd made his career as a scorer, going to a Thunder team that needed him to play power forward as a third option. Now he's a year older and joining a championship-caliber Rockets squad on which he could conceivably be the fifth option. Given his skillset and age, his roles have necessitated drops in his rankings that should be steeper this season than even a year ago.

    Kevin Pelton: B. The concerns about Melo's game his ranking reflected were evident in the playoffs, when he struggled to contribute offensively in a complementary role and was targeted by the Utah Jazz on defense. Given how poorly Anthony shot on 3s, I think there's a good chance he rebounds this season, but he's still not likely to be a top-100 player.    ​
     
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  6. heypartner

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    Ooo, ooo ... I have a follow-up question: If 34-yr old Melo is a superstar in decline, explain 40yr old Nowitzki making Top 100.

    A. Those results were about right.​

    B. Dirk would have dropped out, but he didn't get exposed in the playoffs last year, did he?!​

    C. Got you to talk about it, amirite.​
     
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  7. Deuce

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    So, on ESPN Rank, 50-100, there wasn't ONE Rocket? Am I to guess that Harden, CP, Capela, Gordon are in the top 50? And then where do they place Tucker? I also didn't see Ariza/Luc in that tier either.

    As for Melo. They probably overrated Melo last year (OK3 "Big Three") and are underrating him this season (Bill Simmons: Melo is washed) to "compensate." He is somewhere in the middle there.
     
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    SI had them all in the Top 50.

    Looks like Celtics are going to have 7 players.

    I think ESPN did a better job on some things, giving better value to 3D players, but I don't get the Kantar ranking, Redick jumping 22 spots, and Ball improving upon last year's clear overrating -- ranked 38 spots higher than SI's. Lulz. They have to keep Ball in the story.
     
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    If I remember correctly, SI had Tucker, Ariza and Luc in their 50-100 tier. And in ESPN's they are likely ALL out of that tier.
     
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    Ariza 77 (15 spot fall)... and Tucker 85. No Luc. It's in the OP.

    All of Harden, Paul, Capela and EGo in the Top 50 on both (apparently).

    Let's see if ESPN puts Gobert 21 spots higher than Capela, though. SI had him #14, yet talk about how important playoffs are if you get exposed ... and Capela/Rockets exposed him embarrassingly.
     
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    D. TAKE THAT FOR DATA
     
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    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24666339/nbarank-2018-19-31-50-best-players-season

    50. Nikola Mirotic, New Orleans Pelicans(88)
    49. Robert Covington, Philadelphia 76ers(55)
    48. Myles Turner, Indiana Pacers(36)
    47. Steven Adams, Oklahoma City Thunder(46)
    46. Andre Drummond, Detroit Pistons(53)
    45. Jamal Murray, Denver Nuggets(NR)
    44. Mike Conley, Memphis Grizzlies(23)
    43. Gary Harris, Denver Nuggets(90)
    42. Eric Gordon, Houston Rockets(62)
    41. Aaron Gordon, Orlando Magic(68)
    40. Gordon Hayward, Boston Celtics(20)
    39. DeMar DeRozan, San Antonio Spurs(39)
    38. Otto Porter Jr., Washington Wizards(42)
    37. Jaylen Brown, Boston Celtics(NR)
    36. Clint Capela, Houston Rockets(70)
    35. Khris Middleton, Milwaukee Bucks(35)
    34. Al Horford, Boston Celtics(40)
    33. Blake Griffin, Detroit Pistons(24)
    32. John Wall, Washington Wizards(15)
    31. Devin Booker, Phoenix Suns(60)
     
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  13. Deuce

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    Eric Gordon and Clint Capela make their appearance.

     
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    Eric got beaten by his brother Aaron by one spot.
     
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    CBS Sports Top 100...

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...with-lebron-james-and-stay-west-heavy-at-top/

    100. John Collins, ATLANTA HAWKS
    99. Hassan Whiteside, MIAMI HEAT
    98. Nicolas Batum, CHARLOTTE HORNETS
    97. Enes Kanter, NEW YORK KNICKS
    96. Avery Bradley, LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
    95. Dwight Howard, WASHINGTON WIZARDS
    94. Nikola Vucevic, ORLANDO MAGIC
    93. Darren Collison, INDIANA PACERS
    92. Serge Ibaka, TORONTO RAPTORS
    91. Marvin Bagley III, SACRAMENTO KINGS
    90. P.J. Tucker, HOUSTON ROCKETS
    89. Brook Lopez, MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    88. T.J. Warren, PHOENIX SUNS
    87. Spencer Dinwiddie, BROOKLYN NETS
    86. Thaddeus Young, INDIANA PACERS
    85. Fred VanVleet, TORONTO RAPTORS
    84. Terry Rozier, BOSTON CELTICS
    83. Jonas Valanciunas, TORONTO RAPTORS
    82. Jeff Teague, MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    81. Kyle Kuzma, LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    80. Will Barton, DENVER NUGGETS
    79. Nikola Mirotic, NEW ORLEANS PELICANS
    78. Andre Roberson, OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    77. Jusuf Nurkic, PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
    76. Julius Randle, NEW ORLEANS PELICANS
    75. Josh Richardson, MIAMI HEAT
    74. Deandre Ayton, PHOENIX SUNS
    73. Marcus Smart, BOSTON CELTICS
    72. Lonzo Ball, LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    71. Ricky Rubio, UTAH JAZZ
    70. Andre Iguodala, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    69. Andrew Wiggins, MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    68. Lauri Markkanen, CHICAGO BULLS
    67. Robert Covington, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    66. Tyreke Evans, INDIANA PACERS
    65. Dario Saric, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    64. Derrick Favors, UTAH JAZZ
    63. Trevor Ariza, PHOENIX SUNS
    62. JJ Redick, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    61. Harrison Barnes, DALLAS MAVERICKS
    60. Myles Turner, INDIANA PACERS
    59. Luka Doncic, DALLAS MAVERICKS
    58. Eric Bledsoe, MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    57. Joe Ingles, UTAH JAZZ
    56. Lou Williams, LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
    55. Jamal Murray, DENVER NUGGETS
    54. Eric Gordon, HOUSTON ROCKETS
    53. Brandon Ingram, LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    52. Gary Harris, DENVER NUGGETS
    51. Tobias Harris, LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
    50. Otto Porter, WASHINGTON WIZARDS
    49. Goran Dragic, MIAMI HEAT
    48. DeAndre Jordan, DALLAS MAVERICKS
    47. Aaron Gordon, ORLANDO MAGIC
    46. Paul Millsap, DENVER NUGGETS
    45. Blake Griffin, DETROIT PISTONS
    44. Marc Gasol, MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
    43. Steven Adams, OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    42. Jaylen Brown, BOSTON CELTICS
    41. Clint Capela, HOUSTON ROCKETS
    40. Andre Drummond, DETROIT PISTONS
    39. Mike Conley, MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
    38. Khris Middleton, MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    37. Kyle Lowry, TORONTO RAPTORS
    36. Devin Booker, PHOENIX SUNS
    35. Kevin Love, CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
    34. CJ McCollum, PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
    33. Jayson Tatum, BOSTON CELTICS
    32. Jrue Holiday, NEW ORLEANS PELICANS
    31. Kemba Walker, CHARLOTTE HORNETS
    30. Bradley Beal, WASHINGTON WIZARDS
    29. LaMarcus Aldridge, SAN ANTONIO SPURS
    28. Donovan Mitchell, UTAH JAZZ
    27. DeMarcus Cousins, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    26. Kristaps Porzingis, NEW YORK KNICKS
    25. DeMar DeRozan, SAN ANTONIO SPURS
    24. Gordon Hayward, BOSTON CELTICS
    23. Rudy Gobert, UTAH JAZZ
    22. John Wall, WASHINGTON WIZARDS
    21. Al Horford, BOSTON CELTICS
    20. Nikola Jokic, DENVER NUGGETS
    19. Ben Simmons, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    18. Draymond Green, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    17. Victor Oladipo, INDIANA PACERS
    16. Karl-Anthony Towns, MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    15. Klay Thompson, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    14. Damian Lillard, PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
    13. Jimmy Butler, MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    12. Kyrie Irving, BOSTON CELTICS
    11. Paul George, OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    10. Joel Embiid, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    9. Chris Paul, HOUSTON ROCKETS
    8. Russell Westbrook, OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    7. Giannis Antetokounmpo, MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    6. Kawhi Leonard, TORONTO RAPTORS
    5. James Harden, HOUSTON ROCKETS
    4. Stephen Curry, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    3. Anthony Davis, NEW ORLEANS PELICANS
    2. Kevin Durant, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    1. LeBron James, LOS ANGELES LAKERS

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    100. John Collins, ATLANTA HAWKS

    12. Kyrie Irving, BOSTON CELTICS
    21. Al Horford, BOSTON CELTICS
    24. Gordon Hayward, BOSTON CELTICS
    33. Jayson Tatum, BOSTON CELTICS
    42. Jaylen Brown, BOSTON CELTICS
    73. Marcus Smart, BOSTON CELTICS
    84. Terry Rozier, BOSTON CELTICS

    87. Spencer Dinwiddie, BROOKLYN NETS

    31. Kemba Walker, CHARLOTTE HORNETS
    98. Nicolas Batum, CHARLOTTE HORNETS

    68. Lauri Markkanen, CHICAGO BULLS

    35. Kevin Love, CLEVELAND CAVALIERS

    48. DeAndre Jordan, DALLAS MAVERICKS
    59. Luka Doncic, DALLAS MAVERICKS
    61. Harrison Barnes, DALLAS MAVERICKS

    20. Nikola Jokic, DENVER NUGGETS
    46. Paul Millsap, DENVER NUGGETS
    52. Gary Harris, DENVER NUGGETS
    55. Jamal Murray, DENVER NUGGETS
    80. Will Barton, DENVER NUGGETS

    40. Andre Drummond, DETROIT PISTONS
    45. Blake Griffin, DETROIT PISTONS

    2. Kevin Durant, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    4. Stephen Curry, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    15. Klay Thompson, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    18. Draymond Green, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    27. DeMarcus Cousins, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    70. Andre Iguodala, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS

    5. James Harden, HOUSTON ROCKETS
    9. Chris Paul, HOUSTON ROCKETS
    41. Clint Capela, HOUSTON ROCKETS
    54. Eric Gordon, HOUSTON ROCKETS
    90. P.J. Tucker, HOUSTON ROCKETS

    17. Victor Oladipo, INDIANA PACERS
    60. Myles Turner, INDIANA PACERS
    66. Tyreke Evans, INDIANA PACERS
    86. Thaddeus Young, INDIANA PACERS
    93. Darren Collison, INDIANA PACERS

    51. Tobias Harris, LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
    56. Lou Williams, LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
    96. Avery Bradley, LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS

    1. LeBron James, LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    53. Brandon Ingram, LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    72. Lonzo Ball, LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    81. Kyle Kuzma, LOS ANGELES LAKERS

    39. Mike Conley, MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
    44. Marc Gasol, MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES

    49. Goran Dragic, MIAMI HEAT
    75. Josh Richardson, MIAMI HEAT
    99. Hassan Whiteside, MIAMI HEAT

    7. Giannis Antetokounmpo, MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    38. Khris Middleton, MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    58. Eric Bledsoe, MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    89. Brook Lopez, MILWAUKEE BUCKS

    13. Jimmy Butler, MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    16. Karl-Anthony Towns, MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    69. Andrew Wiggins, MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    82. Jeff Teague, MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES

    3. Anthony Davis, NEW ORLEANS PELICANS
    32. Jrue Holiday, NEW ORLEANS PELICANS
    76. Julius Randle, NEW ORLEANS PELICANS
    79. Nikola Mirotic, NEW ORLEANS PELICANS

    26. Kristaps Porzingis, NEW YORK KNICKS
    97. Enes Kanter, NEW YORK KNICKS

    8. Russell Westbrook, OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    11. Paul George, OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    43. Steven Adams, OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    78. Andre Roberson, OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER

    47. Aaron Gordon, ORLANDO MAGIC
    94. Nikola Vucevic, ORLANDO MAGIC

    10. Joel Embiid, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    19. Ben Simmons, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    62. JJ Redick, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    65. Dario Saric, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    67. Robert Covington, PHILADELPHIA 76ERS

    36. Devin Booker, PHOENIX SUNS
    63. Trevor Ariza, PHOENIX SUNS
    74. Deandre Ayton, PHOENIX SUNS
    88. T.J. Warren, PHOENIX SUNS

    14. Damian Lillard, PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
    34. CJ McCollum, PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
    77. Jusuf Nurkic, PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS

    91. Marvin Bagley III, SACRAMENTO KINGS

    25. DeMar DeRozan, SAN ANTONIO SPURS
    29. LaMarcus Aldridge, SAN ANTONIO SPURS

    6. Kawhi Leonard, TORONTO RAPTORS
    37. Kyle Lowry, TORONTO RAPTORS
    83. Jonas Valanciunas, TORONTO RAPTORS
    85. Fred VanVleet, TORONTO RAPTORS
    92. Serge Ibaka, TORONTO RAPTORS

    23. Rudy Gobert, UTAH JAZZ
    28. Donovan Mitchell, UTAH JAZZ
    57. Joe Ingles, UTAH JAZZ
    64. Derrick Favors, UTAH JAZZ
    71. Ricky Rubio, UTAH JAZZ

    22. John Wall, WASHINGTON WIZARDS
    30. Bradley Beal, WASHINGTON WIZARDS
    50. Otto Porter, WASHINGTON WIZARDS
    95. Dwight Howard, WASHINGTON WIZARDS
     
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    @J.R. I love how you group the teams together in those Top 100s.

    Now we just need ESPN to finish up their list and then see a list of the Rockets grouped in each of the ESPN/CBS/SI lists.
     
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    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24667483/nbarank-2018-19-21-30-best-players-season

    30. CJ McCollum, Portland Trail Blazers(31)
    29. Bradley Beal, Washington Wizards(28)
    28. LaMarcus Aldridge, San Antonio Spurs(45)
    27. Kemba Walker, Charlotte Hornets(34)
    26. Jrue Holiday, New Orleans Pelicans(52)
    25. Kevin Love, Cleveland Cavaliers(26)
    24. Jayson Tatum, Boston Celtics(NR)
    23. Rudy Gobert, Utah Jazz(14)
    22. Donovan Mitchell, Utah Jazz(NR)
    21. Kyle Lowry, Toronto Raptors(21)
     
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