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Trump's coronavirus response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    You seem to be woefully uninformed.

    Are you capable of reading a graph? If so, you will see that a comparison between the United States and the European Union, two entities with comparable populations, shows that the European Union has handled the worst pandemic to hit not only the United States, but the world in over one hundred years, far better than the United States has. We are as advanced scientifically, and one might argue more advanced in some areas, than the countries that make up the EU.

    The main difference between the EU's far more successful response to the disaster that is COVID-19? National leadership. Unlike in our country, where our national leadership of the executive branch of our government residing in the White House has refused to lead the nation against the virus, instead making the response "the responsibility of the states," the national governments of the nations that make up the EU have exhibited strong leadership. The results speak for themselves. Just examine the graph. The source of the data, by the way, comes from John Hopkins University, a very highly regarded institution whose data is used by our own government.

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    Europe's population is far more dense...NYC dense, but not as dense as the thick skull of the average American.
     
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    As I have already stated in another post to yet another poster, back in June it appeared we were gaining the upper hand and with the public pressure to reopen, it once again flared up.
    If Trump had said no, he would have been crucified so he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The USA is doing much better. The graph clearly shows the USA trending down while the EU is trending up.

    - DJT
     
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  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    That's the job of a President. If he can't handle public pressure, he has no business being President. Ironically, his political opponents would not have been the ones damining him had he kept things tighter.
     
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    He was the one pushing to reopen with the free the blue states BS. There was no reluctance on his part.
    This is all on him, whether he cares to admit it or not.
     
  9. deb4rockets

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    Adding to what @Deckard said, I suggest you read these articles to help answer your question, and give you a better understanding of this topic.

    What sets good and bad leaders apart in the coronavirus era
    https://theconversation.com/what-sets-good-and-bad-leaders-apart-in-the-coronavirus-era-140013

    What Do Countries With The Best Coronavirus Responses Have In Common?
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/avivah...us-reponses-have-in-common-women-leaders/amp/

    The notorious nine: These world leaders responded to the coronavirus with denial, duplicity and ineptitude
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/wor...e-world-leaders-responded-to-the-coronavirus/

    U.S. News & World Report
    How Leadership in Various Countries Has Affected COVID-19 Response Effectiveness | Best Countries

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...-has-affected-covid-19-response-effectiveness

    I hope this helps you understand the effectiveness of good leadership. These articles hopefully will enlighten you.
     
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  10. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    she is what good leadership is about

    Explain clearly their goal and emphatic to those that have to lockdown. Placed trust in experts and enable them, the people and the gov to fight back against a threat.

    The funny thing that get me is this type of leadership is also extremely successful in business.

    Those that like trump because he’s a businessman, I believe, don’t realize or have not worked with great leaders in business and does not understand what a failure of leadership is - the type of leader that doesn’t have empathy toward others, the type that doesn’t understand the basic, the type that think only he alone can solve the problem, the type that demand instead of earn trust, the type that when it all come down - failure included, take absolutely no responsibility but all the credit. That’s the type of leadership that bankrupt companies, and it’s the type that is now bankrupting the strongest and most advance and capable economy, scientists, experts, and nation in the world — it’s an amazing failure that you almost have to design for. A rock would have done much better.
     
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  11. Amiga

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    except experts said this would happen. As an example, the CDC has their criteria for re-opening for a reason - those were ignored.

    heck, I’m no expert but I read and agree this was going to happen ... in April.

    hindsight was not needed for this, just foresight - or listen to experts and not take reckless gamble.
     
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    Personally, I would have tried to reopen also, seeing as we seemed to be beating it.
    As it turns out, it would have been a bad decision - a difficult choice given the state of many businesses and citizens suffering under a greatly reduced personal cash flow.
     
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    So all the hardships families and businesses were suffering had nothing to do with it?
     
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    Your stat adds to my point. The densely populated areas in Canada, S. Korea, and almost every place in the world are doing far better than the densely populated areas in the U.S.

    The United States has @4% of the world's population. The United States has @ 25% of the World's Covid19 cases. That reflects poorly on our nation and its leadership.
     
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    I totally agree with you.
     
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    Good leadership was demonstrated when Trump immediately had the appropriate health authorities and Dr. Fauci addressing the nation early and continuously.
    The addresses the need to social distance, wash hands regularly wear masks, sneeze into your elbow, sanitize common contact areas etc,.
    The rest is up to us.
     
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    This revisionist history is ridiculous isn't it? Unfortunately, we have all been living it for the past 6 months, so he can't bullshit his way out of it like the person he are going to vote for tries to do.

    Trump kept on pushing for re-opening. His vast track record should show an average-intelligence person that he cares ZERO about other people, especially small mom and pop shops or middle America. He cares first and foremost about himself, then a couple of his kids, lastly his wealthy comrades.

    Many people, and I might even use the word "most" people believed that we were opening up too early. It was all a political ploy to make him look like he did a fantastic job at controlling the virus, or making it magically go away or whatever. They kept on touting Florida as this resounding success, when reporters were scratching their heads and trying to ask "have you seen the data? Are you sure you want to use Florida as your great example?"

    Trump consistently ignored his experts (and continues to do so), and instead of having real leadership lead us to progress early on, where we could have collectively suffered for 2-3 months (and be back to something that resembles normalcy by May), we are now going on 6-plus months, with not a ton of progress to even show for it.

    And it's almost like deja vu with opening up schools. Science is clearly telling us it's a bad idea, yet the administration is almost forcing it to open, even blatantly lying by saying kids are immune to it. That doesn't even pass the common sense test (but you'd be surprised how stupid some people are). So now when kids get sick by rushing into opening up schools (was the report from a day or two ago 97,000?), Trump supporters will sit back with the lazy excuse of "well, hindsight is 20/20?" Get out of here with that bullshit, and do better.

    How is that for Americans, our health, and our economy? Real shitty, that's how.
     
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    Reckless?
    Calculated. You can only go by indicators which were at the time showing a decrease in caseload.
     
  19. Wattafan

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    Wrong.
    Right now the US is trending better than many EU countries.
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    Stock market may reach an all time high today? (S&P....the Nasdaq has already done so!)

    Thank God Trump is here to protect the economy and the country's 401ks.
     

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