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What if we could add a high motor 6'6 rebounder who shoots 36% from deep?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by napalm06, Aug 9, 2020.

  1. scolandry1

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    He doesn't shoot 36% from three, though
     
  2. D-rock

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    If discussing superstars only, maybe I could give you benefit of doubt. Maybe.

    Rockets are pursuing 3D players to complement Harden/Russ, this has always been the plan. Whether a complementary star or a role player, Rockets are looking for specific skillsets required to execute 5 out offense AND switch everything defense.

    Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

     
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    How did Mbah A moute look in limited minutes last night? Would be nice if Carroll and Mbah A Moute can get some minutes to see if either one of them can be relied on in the playoffs especially for defensive purposes on the perimeter.
     
  4. D-rock

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    Rusty
     
  5. TheRealAllpro

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    I’m not sure why you keep bringing up Covington when I never mentioned him.

    You are talking to the wrong person about this since I think it’s clear from the advanced numbers that is defense is so elite it actually standard deviations above normal and has marginal value.

    Covington might be the one exception the whole league, Maybe Otto Porter, where his defense has marginal value and I think that’s why the Rockets paid the heavy price for him.
     
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    You brought up Covington first to support asinine take that Morey values offense over defense.

    These old and tired narratives help push the negative media (and fan) stigmas to continue to undermine and undervalue accomplishments of our team, coach and players.

    Marginal offense over marginal defense is a lousy hill to die on.
     
  8. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    Bro this isn't my personal opinion. This is what Morey has said. He wants to put as much offense on the floor as possible. If you read that just on the surface that seems obvious but if you read between the lines: It means offense> defense.
     
  9. D-rock

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    Then I'm glad they have come to their senses.
     
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    You should take this as a good thing. A team built to win with offense and timely defense is winning with defense. Wait till Westbrook gets going and Eric Gordon gets back.
     
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    Why because of one game?
    I'm not saying we will play 8 when Gordon returns. I hope we stick to 9. Just that Rivers is the odd man out if we do play 8.
     
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    And he's not a high motor rebounder. Dude's career average in rebounding is 4.3. His career high is 6.6RPG. For a Small forward thats average at best.

    So both statements in the OP is false.
     
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    It's funny how things roll on Clutchfans. Mike Frazier, a young guy, is finally being played which is likely due to promise he may be showing in practice, yet here we are asking Demarre Carroll.

    Clutchfans is always giving Mike D **** about not developing our younger players, yet, here we are, Mike Frazier playing, and people are wondering why the old guy is not playing over him. Demarre, in the limited minutes he has played this season, has not looked good. Maybe he needs more time to establish some sort of rhythm, but as the rotation is currently set, there is no where to put him in to get him the time he needs to get his rhythm together. At most, you could maybe carve out 8-12 minutes for him, but Mike D has chosen to give those to Mike Frazier.

    Personally, I'm happy that Mike Frazier has shown enough in practice that Mike D is giving him playing time in real games. He likely won't play in the playoffs, unless we are decimated by injuries and only have 4 capable players in the line up and he is forced to play. Demarre Carroll, would have been great 1 or 2 years ago, but he really does look like an old man on the court. The Prince looked very washed in his first minutes the other night, he seemed to hardly be moving out there, probably needs more time, but we really don't have the time to allow players to get their legs back, especially players that haven't played in almost 2 years.
     
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  15. D-rock

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    LOL

    You have no clue.
     
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    Mike Dan Tony has a history of playing a 7-8 men rotation in the playoffs since his Phoenix days. Old dogs dont learn new tricks. Cats dont change their spots at the twilight of their career.
     
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    2017 had a solid 9 man rotation before Luc got hurt. It's all about the players that are proven to produce at both ends of the system.
     
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    Agree with about Frazier vs. Demarre.

    But Luc in his limited minutes got us 2 steals (plus 2 TO), he is rusty but still useful off the bench. His defense is still near elite.

    And if we are going to develop young guys, then develop Bruno for Pete's sake.

    He outplayed Frazier easily in half the minutes.
     
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    Why can't it be both? It's great seeing Frazier get some time but he' isn't a combo forward. It doesn't even have to be Carroll, as it's nice seeing Luc get some time too.
     
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    Because there is not enough time in the rotation.

    As it stands, Mike is stating that he is only going to roll with a 9-man line up in the playoffs. Since we all been around for the last 3 years and seen what Mike usually does in the playoffs, we know that the line up is going to be shortened without a shadow of a doubt to a 7 man line-up. Where do you see Carroll fitting there?

    He doesn't. Mike doesn't believe in extended line-ups. He believe that his guys are in good enough shape to allow him to run short rotations and he isn't going to extend the line up at all. If Luc was in better shape, it's likely he would bump someone off the 9-man established line up, because ultimately the players that will play the most outside of Westbrook/Harden is going to be Tucker/Covington because he doesn't trust anybody else to be able to body up the big players in the middle. Jeff Green will get his time as well, but I wouldn't be surprised one bit if his minutes are reduced because Mike insists on playing Rob and Tuck 40 minutes each.

    This is typical Mike every ****ing year in the playoffs.
     
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