As we start to "re-open"

My dad the Trump fan did the same thing: "No President could have prevented this."

Obama gave a speech in December 2014 talking about future pandemics, that "when one occurs in 5 years, 10 years".

Someone who had worked under him---Biden, Hillary---would have certainly known to take the coming pandemic seriously when warned about it in January 2020. Two months before Trump did anything (save a semi-lockdown of flights from China and call it a success).

Hell, Trump didn't even want that cruise ship to dock in Florida (February? March?) lest the "numbers go up" through "no fault of ours" (quotes mine, but pretty close to what he said). Now we have, what?, four million cases? Because we had to open bars and turn no-mask-wearing into a tribal badge of honor? (Only recently did Trump talk out the other side of his mouth about masks, but no worries---Hannity will spin the Jedi mind trick: "The President has always advocated the wearing of masks to keep you safe" (long enough to vote for him).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_history

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harsh_Reality

 

I can see @Os Trigonum 's point on this...we can say that other presidents would have acted more competently, and maybe it saves a few people here and there, maybe they help get some PPE or ventilators to hospitals earlier and, but the president isn't the only problem at this moment in time.

Our Congress is ill equipped to step in...and likely would be even worse at the moment with a Hillary-led nation as we saw when they stonewalled Obama consistently...and we already heard McConnell state that he would have stopped everything Hillary tried to pass. So...we probably see a much worse stimulus package than what already came out and it's likely Republican Senators sit on any further stimulus package to ensure a Republican victory this November.

As far as the states, it's likely they do basically the same thing they are now. New York still would have had an outbreak early, the south, with their Republican governors would have fought any mask-mandate and would probably be having an outbreak right now anyway. Hell, look at California...the governor there has done everything the left has wanted him to...and there is still a huge outbreak.

Problem is, we live in a current culture of polarization, politicization, and entitlement. No president would overcome that...especially none this century (Sorry about Obama, but Congress stonewalling and him not being able to breakthrough does count no matter how much he's liked now). Honestly, we may not see any president in the near future overcome that until something breaks. Obviously, this virus isn't enough to do it...but maybe it will force more people to realize they need to vote if they want competence...and not just the presidency (which really doesn't matter all that much relative to everyone's lives), but in every local election, every primary, and every runoff.

Our elected officials are the perfect representation of our society...and that's the fault of everyone that has allowed it.

 

this is extremely well-stated

 

I mean who could have known?

SCOOBY DOO WHERE ARE YOU??

 

related:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/2...e-would-have-handled-coronavirus-differently/

 

there is no way we would be doing this bad if we had pretty much any other person as President right now

Trump is the most incompetent president of all time, and his yes men are incompetent too.

stop it...

 

RWANDA FOREVER!!

 

...are you sure you're looking in the right places?
...I could swear there's some folks on Reddit and 4Chan who'd disagree with you...

 

My Florida neighbor did say OAN was a great network to find unbiased reporting. I ought to check it out

 

...and yet Andrew Cuomo literally sent positive covid patients into nursing homes. Yet you stay silent on that. If you take out the tri-state (NY/NJ/Conn) deaths, the US wouldn't look too bad.

 

you take them out of the equation as well when measuring the US economy as well?

 

lol because that's a relevant comment.

please.

 

Yes... it was a bad idea to do that months ago when it happened. Don't you continue to want to see current data? You keep harping on how things are as opposed to how things were unless it involves Cuomo's bad decision.

 

You are like a blast from the past. Time to wake up to the present. Yesterday the US had 28% of the daily new cases in the entire world and 14% of the deaths in the entire world. How in your right mind do you think that is not bad? I mean seriously? We only account for 4.25% of the world's population.

This is not good, even though you and Trump like to paint this weird picture of it as such. This is serious, and certainly not a time for Trump to push reopening. We have tripled our daily new cases since June 10th. Even if we went from 61,000 cases a day to 20,000 we would still have a problem, but maybe more manageable.

Trump's push for reopening and opening schools right now is a recipe for disaster. Mark my words. I am sick and tired of being in lockdown already, and this kind of careless approach is only going to make things worse.