[Jordan/Bulls Documentary] 'The Last Dance'

No matter how you slice it, Jordan shot more in four title years than any other of his playoff runs.

This is a list of playoff FGAs and FTAs per 100 possession (per 100 to eliminate pace).
Even FGA/gm, with Bulls slower pace, Jordan still has 4 Titles topping any FGA/gm yr of Harden.

First round exit players were deleted from the list*​

Rk	Player	Season	Result	FGA/100	FTA/100	eFG%	TS%
1	Michael Jordan	1992-93	Title	36.6	11.7	.502	.553
2	Allen Iverson	2000-01	.	35.9	11.3	.425	.480
3	Carmelo Anthony	2012-13	.	35.7	10.0	.434	.497
4	Michael Jordan	1996-97	Title	34.8	10.3	.469	.524
5	Michael Jordan	1997-98	Title	34.4	14.6	.474	.545
6	LeBron James	2014-15	.	34.1	10.5	.440	.487
7	Michael Jordan	1991-92	Title	34.1	11.1	.514	.571
8	Kobe Bryant	2011-12	.	34.0	10.7	.467	.525
9	Allen Iverson	1998-99	.	33.4	8.1	.446	.481
10	Allen Iverson	2002-03	.	33.1	11.9	.445	.499
11	Michael Jordan	1989-90	.	32.7	12.2	.533	.592
12	Michael Jordan	1994-95	.	32.4	10.3	.506	.557
13	Dominique Wilkins	1987-88	.	32.4	13.5	.463	.527
14	Hakeem Olajuwon	1994-95	Title	32.3	9.2	.533	.560
15	Derrick Rose	2010-11	.	32.0	11.4	.430	.499
16	Michael Jordan	1987-88	.	31.5	12.0	.533	.598
17	James Harden	2017-18	.	31.1	10.7	.478	.548
18	Kobe Bryant	2002-03	.	30.9	10.1	.472	.531
19	Karl Malone	1995-96	.	30.9	13.6	.469	.498
20	James Harden	2018-19	.	30.8	11.4	.504	.567

* There are more players in that list ahead of Harden (eg, Westbrook twice and #1 on the list, TMac 4 times, Melo, Karl Malone, Grant Hill, Dwayne Wade, Dominique, Pau Gasol, Tony Parker, CP3 @ LAC, another Kobe), but I screened them out due to 1st round exits.

 

kerr was a role player,

a la Robert Horry who was a role player who a productive off-the-bench guy w Championship teams,
2 w Hou, 2 w LAL and 1 w SA​

 

no matter how you slice it, Jordan is the only baller to have led his team to 3 consecutive rings in the modern NBA, and he did it twice.

modern day nba is defined as after the 3-pt shot rule was implemented

 

actually, u need to include the 50s and 60s

Bill Russell centered the Bos Celtics, from the mid 50s to the mid 60s, to win ~ 10 rings in 11 years, 8 in a row. Russell was a dominant defensive player,
not so much a scorer or assist man. his dominant defense controlled the flow of the game

 

that's right. I didn't post that table of stats to refute that. Did you think I did?

I was responding to the story that Phil Jackson made him defer so the Bulls weren't Jordan-centric. That story (borderline myth) needs to still remember the fact that he shot the ball just as much (and more) in his ring years as before PJax. It was only the first ring that there was a noticeable reduction in playoff shooting ... then in 92 and 93 he soared back up to his most-ever shooting, with '97 and '98 also higher than any pre-PJax years.

 

There is this guy named Shaq.

 

don't think shaq / Kobe's team did it twice

 

You said: 3 consecutive rings (and that he happened to do it twice)

You did not say: the only player to twice lead his team to 3 consecutive rings

A 3 peat is what u said not two 3 peats.

Just saying

 

Shaq didn’t exist now?

 

Lol... via Ringer https://www.theringer.com/2017/6/9/...ith-michael-jordan-chicago-bulls-48b12d6d3e15

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God speed to nba, rockets worldwide.

The bulls team was a unit that was together at all times. Look at kukoc stepping up game 7 versus pacers. Kukoc stepped up and scored more than pippen in a game 7 of east coast finals in 1998.

 

Yeah, added he's the only one retired 3x, 2x and came back, and had a brief, relatively above average baseball stint for someone who hasn't played baseball in years or decades.

 

Tebow or Jordan in the outfield?

 

First of all, the OKC amigos won their respective MVP titles independently of each other.
Kevin did it with WB nursing an injury and without Harden, JH obviously in Houston, WB with Kevin out of the door.

Chances are they wouldn't have flourished if they were all on the same OKC team like McGrady never flourished offensively in his cousin's shadow.

2, You are venturing into the realms of fantasy.

Your take is highly subjective as is mine.
Not all HOFers are the same quality, see McGrady.....Rudy is already a HOFer but he is still no Phil Jax.
There are only so many HOFers during an era, can't have them all.

So yeah Hakeem would have won more.

And no, Harden, Chris Paul and even KD are not on Hakeem's competitive level. (or have the total package for that matter.)

They would have all won couple titles with HOF teammates (KD did) but likely never 3 peated other than Hakeem.

(Depending on how compatible they are with the HOF teammates' positions and style of play, how many titles will be won...)

 

i think social media is definitely the biggest factor. everything gets laughed at now. there always has to be a meme for any situation. i think the relative "reverence" factor would still favor jordan. lebron would basically be a god back then as well but jordan would probably avoid as much clowning as lebron (he just has that confidence and pretty much always backed it up). he'd have definitely gotten some hate early in his career for not winning.

of course, even lebron has largely been considered untouchable since the 2011 finals, at least in terms of respect/reverence. if you would've said in June 2011 that he would be in the GOAT conversation, that would have been tough to believe.

 

yeah, decent video with respect given to advanced stats, but definitely had an agenda (even if i agree jordan is better, mostly because of the #1 in PER and WS/48 in regular season and playoffs that i already knew about and also because he went 24-0 in series where he had homecourt). every lebron strength had to be knocked down a peg. every jordan strength was talked up. basically 2 whole sections on lebron not being good at jumpers. and even time spent trying to pretend jordan's finals competition was in the same universe as lebron's. 7 finals with either the popovich/duncan/manu/parker/kawhi spurs or the ridiculous recent warriors teams. the 4 warriors teams would be heavy favorites to any jordan finals opponent, and i assume the 2007 spurs (already 3 time champs) would be significant favorites over all 6, and i would think spurs 2013/2014 would be near the top, if not favored over all 6 jordan opponents. only 2011 mavs and 2012 thunder would fit in with jordan's opponents.

also, the game score discussion. he mentions that the top 100 game scores include regular season and playoffs, except it's really 91 regular season games and 9 playoff games, so it's just a regular season stat. which completely ignores that lebron actually has more top 100 playoff games than jordan (16 to 13). and all of this ignores that game score basically rewards high scoring games, a huge advantage to jordan over lebron.

if you look at the top 100, 77 are for 50+ point games. harden has 10 of them, and even then all of his 10 are for games with at least 51 points (so any of his crazy 40-50 point triple doubles weren't enough). damian lillard has 5 top 100 games, all for 50 point games. kobe has 5 and all are for at least 56 point games. meanwhile, lebron (3), tim duncan (0), larry bird (1), and magic johnson (0) have 4 COMBINED. clearly well-rounded games like lebron's are not rewarded if tim duncan's 20/20 near quadruple double in the finals isn't on the list. and even then, lebron was somehow so good at high scoring games in the playoffs that he has the most top 100 games. that's fairly remarkable.

 

You didn’t put a disclaimer on the Jordan/Pippen team doing it twice. If you wanna suddenly add the Batman player please note Shaq made two Finals without Kobe and won one. Jordan has never won a playoff series without Pippen.

 

Not only that, but he was also logical. That's why he never did any of the activism people are getting on him for. It just didn't make sense to get into anything that he didn't know much about. It still doesn't for the players today, but they are emotional. And, unlike today, social activism didn't pay back then.




One thing about Jordan not being clowned is that Jordan rarely if ever looked bad in defeat. For example, he never had a series like LeBron against Dallas. There's no J.J. Barea in Jordan's history. His teams never lost as the favorites. He didn't even look bad in Washington. Also, he never said or did stupid things off the court.

 

Some truth but LBJ was aware of his efficiency so he dunked a ton, laid it up a ton within 3 feet whereas Jordan had a good efficiency shooting fadeaways and contested long 2s.

The video was one of the better ones IMO, should have cleared up a bit more about the clutch stats.

For us fans, Hakeem should have been compared.

 

The Jordan 1's do kinda look like the Converse all stars, lol.