What is a successful response for the Trump administration vs Coronavirus

I don't think success is a word that can be used at this point.

 

Taking full responsibility for the situation, ending bidding wars among states for medical supplies, federal mandates of social distancing across all 50 states, nationalizing healthcare specifically for Covid-19, ending blame against healthcare workers who risk their lives pleading for medical supplies to minimize exposure to the virus but also the ability to treat patients better.

Removing family from political positions, offering healthcare workers in states not being impacted by this harshly yet to have free lodging in Trump hotels that are near communities impacted the hardest by epidemic and offer them substantial pay raises and benefits for traveling cross country to help their fellow Americans.

Real leadership. No blame. 100% accountability and stop peddling propaganda to my Trump supporter families that still think he's handling this crisis well while pushing a drug that may very well kill them.

Stop painting himself as the hero and the victim at the same time.

Voluntary self removal from being the POTUS would be best IMO. He could then play the victim and hero to his base and I wouldn't care anymore.

 

Go back in time and follow the advice of its own experts, at least the ones it didn't fire, back in January.

Anything less is an abject failure.

Can't wait till we get to the "are you better off than you were 4 years ago" question, with thousands dead and 20% unemployment.

 

Invention of a time machine

 

A Tardis.

 

Lol and we're done in one.
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If your'e driving while not paying attention when you hit a pedestrian, would you consider it successful if the patient came out alive but lost his/her inability to walk? This proposition only focuses on the latter and completely ignores the ROOT CAUSE that could have been prevented.

In everyday life, even if the victim came out uninjured, the driver would still be liable and responsible for any penalties.

 

Said this elsewhere -- to accept 240k currently modeled as the benchmark of success is to forgive 3 months of inaction.

I'd also say there is no grade for Trump or the Trump Admin. As much as Trump would like everything to be about him, this is really about all of us. Yeah, he has an outsized effect, but what Governors do, County Judges, legislatures, companies, citizens, etc they all matter too. The choices we made long ago of how to build our healthcare system and our economy matter.

My benchmark is in deaths per million inhabitants. Right now, basically all the Asian countries, even Iran, are doing better than us. Having dictatorships in many of these places, or suspicious reporting, or both helps. But we should be able to be better than average in a basket of westernized countries -- Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Japan, Australia, Israel, South Korea. These countries have civil rights to consider like we do, they have sophisticated and globalized economies like we do, they have financial resources to mobilize like we do (though not as much as we do), they'll try to report accurately like we would.

We've made mistakes and suffered from some poor leadership early, but other countries with good leaders may also fall victim to early mistakes. And I think we see that so far we're tracking alright with the competition. Japan, South Korea, Australia, and Canada are outperforming us, but we're roughly on par with Germany, France, Israel, and Switzerland. We're beating Spain, Belgium, UK, and Italy. It should be pointed out though that that set are so far the worst performers in the world on this metric. So beating those guys doesn't really make you a superstar. They get failing grades. Maybe we get a D for being marginally better?

 

Sadly, had the stock market not tanked, Trump would probably still be minimalizing it.

 

Nice job on the fair post.

Bill Gates is optimistic there will be less than 100k deaths.

I would advise people not to celebrate prematurely on undercutting the projected death count results. Projections mostly stop after 2 months.

This means for Trump to be a "success", he has to consistently act like one at least for another 6 months.

Thots and players to him.

 

Success lol, this fraud of a country and political system is leaking from every weld. Both sides can spare me the political success angles.

 

Ahhh...So glad we got the chance to both sides this debate. Thank you for your contribution as always ipa.

 

yes this board used to be overrun by conservatives and what you would expect from a web forum in Texas.

Then September 11 happened, then wmds, the iraq war..it sorta weeded out everyone.
It went from being staunch republican to all of them scurried off in shame. A few roaches left.

The republicans that remain are personas and shills with zero game.

I understand Australia to be quite right leaning so perhaps you can be their more centric voice as they have lost their way.

Welcome to the board
Fwiw I don't blame trump for the virus I blame him putting more naive people at risk ( his own followers) and calling it a democratic hoax. He is a covidiot and contributed to any super spreading.

Also I think im getting cabin fever dr birx is starting to look hot to me

 

Success = zero death and less than 100 cases.


Now it is a total failure.

 

Success = oppossite of the Chinese Communist Parties response. Comparing it to that, he looks like a saint.

 

I consider what New Zeland has done to mostly be a success so far.

They went to into complete lockdown the second they got their first community transfer case. They have been tracking every single case and contacting anybody and anywhere they have been in contact with since the start. Their government has been decisive, efficient, and undivided for the most part.

We can't say the same. To this day there is still not a federal mandate for quarantine and closure of business. Just some friendly "recommendations", we don't track our cases tightly, our testing has been a mess, and we have been overall divided, inefficient and indecisive as a country.

Now I understand, NZ is an island nation with only 5 million people. But if our country being large is always going to an excuse for why we suck then we should probably just give country status to all states and turn the USA into something similar to the EU.