Do the refs have a directive before each game? I'm not into conspiracy theories, but it would just make a lot of sense from a business standpoint.
ending of the j*zz-pels game was just an utter embarressment for this league. zebras F'd up missing an obvious foul on ingram's layup attempt as time expired w/ j*zz up 2pts. then they just stood around in a circle for a few minutes wondering wtf to do. in the end they did nothing, and the L2M report is going to show they F'd up and basically decided the outcome of an nba game due to their own incompetence. fuking clowns
With each day I believe more and more in what Tim Donaghy is spouting. What they really were saying was 'Was this too blatant just now? Or can we get away with it?'
in this particular game i'm not sure if they wanted UTA to win or were trying to cover some spread, etc it seemed like they just missed the call, and that also could have been because they were out of position (ingram basically drove the length of the floor for the final shot attempt in about 5sec) but from the players/fans reaction and video replay on the big screen they had to know they had clearly F'd up, ingram was slapped across the arm right on the shot release well before the final buzzer and they just stood around and did nothing. what a fuking joke of a league
It's not even the slap on the arm... Verticality means jumping up straight up and landing in the same spot. Gobert jumps from the first hash mark of the free throw lane and just totally lands on Ingram in the baseline not giving him the chance to land clean after the shot. How is that play different from a 3-point shooter not given a clear landing space after the shot?
Just when you think the NBA officiating can't get any worse , guess again. This is absurd So they call a goaltend. They literally blew the whistle that it was a goaltend. There was a putback after the whistle. After review they said no goaltend but count the basket ? WTF is that ? That's NBA officiating. But wait there is more. 1 of the refs told us it was an inadvertent whistle, so it was not goaltending. Doesn't matter that people stopped . They thought the whistle came after the putback. So the basket counted. So what where they reviewing if it wasn't a goaltend ? And of course that comes after delon intentionally kicked the ball as he was getting thrown down to stop play. They don't , that's the play that would foul out maxi. Refs have bad games. Crews have bad games. But this isn't a single game issue. This is the same **** that has been going on for 20 years . Hire former refs who think they know how to hire , train and manage. Realize 2 years later they can't. Repeat In the past 12 years it's been Ronnie Nunn, Don Vaden, Bob Delaney , and now Monty Mccutcheon . What do they all have in common ? You know the definition of insanity ? An inadvertant whistle is a suspension of play. The ball becomes dead when the following occurs (1) Official blows his/her whistle EXCEPTION: If a field goal is IN FLIGHT, the ball becomes dead when the goal is made, missed or touched by an offensive player. Pg 25 Cuban: NBA's ref problem 'going on for 20 years'
Spoiler The scene: The Mavericks trail 109-107, not long after a Tim Hardaway Jr. 3-pointer tied things up at 107. Hardaway drives and misses a layup that would tie the game. There’s a three-minute stop in action as the referee, Rodney Mott, tries to figure out who touched the ball last before it went out of bounds. Finally, Dallas is awarded the ball and on the ensuing inbounds, Hardaway quickly catches and shoots but misses. Young dribbles the ball up the floor and milks the clock to 11 seconds left before he drives to the hoop and tries a scoop layup for the dagger. Finney-Smith peels off his man and goes for the block. He gets the ball but referees call goaltending as John Collins then follows up with a put-back layup that seems completely meaningless at the time because whistles were blown. Now, in theory, this should be the safe call. This is the inverse of the horrendous officiating blunder that Damian Lillard and the Portland Trail Blazers were a victim of against the Utah Jazz before the All-Star break. In that situation, there was an obvious goaltending but it was not called and by rule, without a call on the floor, officials in that game could not review the play and correct the blatant missed call. Here, the goaltending is called but it is close in real-time so the officials have the luxury to go to replay and get it right. Here’s the play: As everybody watched replays ad nauseam, here’s how both broadcasts explained it to their audiences. Hawks broadcast (Bob Rathbun, PBP and Dominique Wilkins, color analyst): Wilkins: “Trae goes up, beautiful attempt at the basket. Does this look like it (the ball) is still going up to you?” Rathbun: “I think so, yes sir. I do. I think they’re going to reverse this. It’s going to go as a block. That baby was going up and it had not hit the glass. And it matters not that Collins put the second shot in. It’ll be wiped out.” Mavericks broadcast (Mark Followill, PBP and Derek Harper, color analyst): Followill: “That didn’t hit the board yet.” Harper: “That’s a clean block. That’s clean from what we just saw.” Followill: “Then the question becomes, would it be a jump ball? … I would think that the way this would all turn out is no goaltend, inadvertent whistle, jump ball, which means there’s still work to do for the Mavs.” Vid So, it was pretty obvious to everybody that the play was not a goaltend and both broadcast crews, as well as probably any casual NBA viewer who knows the rules, had prepared themselves for a 109-107 Hawks lead and a jump ball with 8.4 seconds left in regulation. That would leave the Mavericks one last opportunity to tie the game or win it with a 3-point play. The officials decided differently. They ruled the block by Finney-Smith was legal, therefore voiding the goaltending call. However, they ruled the followup basket by Collins to be good, making the score 111-107. Mott explained that decision through a pool reporter after the game. “The ball was blocked and reviewed,” Mott said. “The ball hit the rim, so it was deemed an inadvertent whistle because it was ruled a good block. By rule, it’s an inadvertent whistle. It’s Rule Two. Because he (Collins) was in his shooting motion when my whistle blew, it’s deemed a continuation, so therefore, the basket counts.” No further explanation was given. I would have liked to see a little more of an explanation from Mott. He referred to Rule Two, which I believe is in reference to Rule No. 2, Section V, point d. That’s the only place the inadvertent whistle is mentioned and here’s how it reads, per official.nba.com. Rule No. 2: Section V — Time and Place for Decisions d. When a whistle is erroneously sounded, whether the ball is in a possession or non-possession status, it is an inadvertent whistle and shall be interpreted as a suspension-of-play. Now, there’s another rule that seems to be in play here, Rule No. 7 (Shot clock), Section II, points j and k. Rule No. 7: Section II — Starting and Stopping of Shot Clock j. If an official inadvertently blows his/her whistle and the shot clock buzzer sounds while the ball is in the air, play shall be suspended and play resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents at the center circle, if the shot hits the rim and is If the shot does not hit the rim, a shot clock violation has occurred. If the shot is successful, the goal shall count and the ball inbounded as after any successful field goal. It should be noted that even though the official blows his/her whistle, all provisions of the above rule apply. k. If there is a question whether or not an attempt to score has been before the shot clock expires, the final decision shall be made by the of See Rule 13—Section I—a—8 (this point reads: Officials are not reasonably certain at any time during a game whether (i) a successful field goal was released prior to the expiration of the shot clock, provided that the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay to review this matter as permitted by Section I-b(2) below, or (ii) a called foul was committed prior to the expiration of the shot) That’s a lot of legal mumbo jumbo but the point is, the expectation from many viewers and the broadcasters was that there would be a jump ball and the Collins basket would not count. After the game, Mavericks head coach Rick Carlisle and his players expressed frustration over the same understanding. “Not quite sure what happened on the call,” Carlisle said. “Goaltending was called and the whistle blew. Players stopped (playing). And then the basket was good, after the whistle had blown, which is hard to fathom … Just a very disappointing way to end the game. Our guys fought their butts off, from start to finish. It was a good block. My understanding is that if it’s a good block on a goaltend that’s called and reversed, if there’s no control or the other team gets it, it’s a jump ball. I don’t know. It’s baffling, disappointing.” “They said it was an inadvertent whistle so they counted the basket when John Collins laid the ball up,” Hardaway said. “In a basketball player’s mind, when we hear the whistle, stop, you know? I mean, it — I don’t know what it was with that explanation but I think it should have been a jump ball. It happens and we’ve got to move on.” ... Cuban also took issue with a play from about a minute earlier (which also happened to feature Young and Collins) than the main controversy of the last 10 seconds. With under 90 seconds left in the game, Young launched another 3-pointer but hit the front of the rim. Collins was trying to box out Delon Wright but had him pinned, seemingly committing a loose-ball foul. Nothing was called and Wright made a heads-up play in that situation by going for the kick ball but even that wasn’t called. You can see at the end of this clip, Maxi Kleber motions with his legs to the referee, indicating there should have been a kick ball. Vid That carried ramifications for the Mavericks as well because it not only sent Collins to the free-throw line to extend a 105-104 lead to 107-104 but it also was Kleber’s sixth foul of the game, leaving the Mavericks with a serious size disadvantage over the final stretch given they came into the game without the services of Kristaps Porzingis (injury management) and Willie Cauley-Stein (personal reasons). In this clip, pay attention to Cuban behind the Mavericks bench as he pleaded for about 30 seconds, until Collins’ first free throw left his hand, for the officials to review the play that fouled out Kleber. Keep in mind, this is before the frustration boiled over because of the events of the final 10 seconds. Vid In the end, the Mavericks lost the game 111-107. The fallout of all of this will be interesting, from the NBA’s Last Two Minute report to potential fines that may be coming from the league office, particularly in the direction of Cuban. It’s a shame because the game provided many storylines on its own. This was a Mavericks team that came in short-handed and then lost their fill-in starter, Jalen Brunson, on the first play of the game with a shoulder sprain. Though Brunson did not return to the game, it seems as though he and the Mavericks were able to avoid disaster, Carlisle saying he talked to Brunson afterward and the young guard relayed that he was feeling better. He’ll see a doctor when the team returns to Dallas. The Mavericks had a 13-point lead near the start of the fourth quarter at 90-77 but that fizzled out as the quarter went along as Dallas was outscored 34-21 in the final frame. Young came alive for the Hawks, hitting three huge 3-pointers in the final four minutes to give Atlanta the offense it needed. He also scored the layup that gave the Hawks a 109-107 lead with under a minute to go. That’s the deficit the Mavericks believe they should have been fighting with under 10 seconds left in the game. Would Dallas have won the jump ball? Even if they did, would they have made the clutch shot they’ve failed to convert time and time again this season? Maybe. Maybe not. But it would have been nice for the players to determine the outcome of a game they played. Instead, the referees did it for them. Again.
More bad calls, no calls last night in Salt Lake City. Will it never end? The League is literally rolling in money. They can afford to add another ref for each game. They can afford to have highly trained refs, and to fine the **** out of them when they make a critical error, and to fire them when they screw up and have a habit of doing so. They can afford the technology, which already exists, to have a fair and exciting game, and not take forever having it. There are plenty of honest and competent refs available for hire. Some due diligence makes too much sense, I guess. This kind of crap is happening so often that if the League isn’t careful, the NBA will be viewed just like pro-wrestling is. A farce. A “spectacle” put on for casual entertainment. Something to never take seriously if there are functioning brain cells in your head. Ardent fans like us absolutely hate that the refs take over games, decide games, making inexplicable errors that are not only inexcusable, but literally impossible to find an excuse for. It begs the question, are we dealing with corruption? I would prefer to think it isn’t corruption, but rather gross incompetence at the highest levels of the League. It gets harder and harder to think that way.
What a bunch of cry babies. They should just take the loss. They shouldn't have lost to the shitty Hawks even if their two main stars were injured. Did I do this right?
Dallas will have as much luck getting the ending of that game replayed as we did. Zero. To be clear, I’m not wishing them luck. They are Dallas, after all.
Officials using rules to excuse themselves for not using common sense and letting players decide, shows serious flaw in the system.
Today’s game LAL vs Celtics hada bunch of bad calls going against the Celtics. I really don’t care about them but those calls really cost the Celtics. If they didn’t at least they were really bad calls especially the one with 4 mins to go. the Boston player didn’t step out of bounce and the ref was in front of him. How in the f world do you miss that. And then the Dwight block clearly hit the backboard like how do you miss that too. It wasn’t even close. Just like that walk against Utah the refs just pretend they don’t see things even though they are looking right at the play. Klay fouling Harden on his threes come to mind. Obvious fouls no call. they need to implement more challenges. At least 3 or 4 because refs miss a lot more than one call. And they should be able to change any call if it’s bad. It makes no sense to not be able to review a goaltending block or a made basket unless the refs call it. A foul and obvious one should be able to be challenge even if it’s not called. Offensive or defensive foul. 4 challenges would be nice and being able to challenge anything that looked as a bad call. NBA takes a bunch of time outs anyway and 4 challenges wouldn’t be that big of a deal. the NBA has protected the refs for too long. Is not like they are perfect and always right. I don’t understand why players coaches or owners can’t complain about the officiating. If the complains had no base then fine them but if it is a fact and the refs had more than a few bad calls everyone should be able to comment. They decide games by dictating the flow of the game. Some fouls are very soft and barely grazes and other a blatant fouls. Call the fouls same for both teams.
