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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Commodore

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    Yes, the entire impeachment was all a setup to screw Bernie Sanders.

     
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    You are right. I feel sorry that you seem to accept this and therefore say why
    Poor little folks just a bunch of cultists who are not content with the GOP or Clinton-Obama-Bidenisjm of the past 30 years.
     
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    Every conversation I've had with family and friends about Bernie, it's the same CNN-type talking points responses.

    "How is he going to pay for Medicare for All?"

    The man goes on national TV and makes it very clear. 4% tax increase for incomes over $29,000. No insurance premiums, no copay, no deductible which costs the average American family $12,000 annually. The savings speak for themselves.

    "But shouldn't Bernie tell us how much it will cost?"

    I'm done trying to convince people who have spent an entire lifetime voting against their own interests. These people would have happily voted against clean water, breathable air, and public education at the turn of the last century.
     
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    12,000 annually?

    I have never paid that much and don't know anybody who has and my mother went through a cancer scare.
     
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    When every one talks about Bernie's supporters as the Bernie Bros - alluding to them being all White and Male and the same as Trump supporters, do they not know that he has the most diverse base of supporters and has by far more women contributors to his campaign than anyone in the race?

     
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    Except no one who's analyzed the math believes any of it remotely adds up. So it leaves the question - how will he actually pay for it?
     
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    Yes 12,000 is about right for a catastrophe on market place plans.
     
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    The average person does not have a catastrophe and certainly not yearly.

    This why I don't like using worse case scenario numbers to make a point.
     
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    These numbers are not randomly made up. The risk pool dictates the premium and deductible.

    The original quote is a bit muddled. The implication is that an average family can not afford a deductible of 12k in the event of a catastrophe, plus all the premiums. A week stay in the hospital will put you well beyond 12k, if not just one day.

    The bigger implication is how little Americans tend to take care of themselves. The overall cost (premiums, copays, deductibles) discourages people from seeking professional health. Additionally, the whole preexisting conditions only takes it from impossible to crippling.
     
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    Just FYI, as of today Kyle Jurek still works for the Sanders campaign.
     
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    That was a sad story from a few weeks ago about a high school star athlete who committed suicide by jumping in front of a train. He had received 30 scholarships to universities prior to his death. It appears he had some mental issues, but the major one was extreme poverty.

    In regards to the above, if my taxes went up by $7000 a year (estimated Sanders taxes), but if it could significantly improve the lives of others, I don't think I would be opposed to higher taxes. For those of us who receive benefits through employment, there is a lot of pressure out there that make desperate people do irrational acts.

    Say what you will, but at least Sanders is honest about certain things.
     
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    Sucks but you have to adapt in this world. No surprised Bernie is most popular in the Rust Belt, a place that literally refused to adapt and is making the rest of the US pay for their inability to move on.
     
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    Lighten up Frances. Bernies Sisters doesn't have the same alliteration... Bernie's Peeps? IDK? Bernie Bros just works the best.
     
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    Unfortunately they refused to adapt to wanting to be paid Chinese and Mexican labor rates.

    Blaming the average citizen for the Rust Belt doesn't feel right to me.
     
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    You mean non progressive talking points?

    There's still tons of questions that need to be figured out on Medicare for All and Bernie hasn't come close because the size and scope of this change is monumental. You think ACA had a hard time getting implemented....
     
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    This is the epitome of entitlement. So move or learn a new skill......Just looking at the auto industry....it expanded into the South and SE post NAFTA because the US puts high tariffs on SUVs and Light trucks so they are all made in North America.

    So you are saying the Rust Belt is more entitled to those jobs than other parts of the country?
     
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