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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. MojoMan

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    So does Joe Biden.
     
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    So does Donald Trump.

    Ideally we get someone better than that, but the reality is that almost all of the successful politicians do.

    Even Abraham Lincoln did.

    Those that did not, like Jimmy Carter or Harry Truman didn't do that well.
     
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    Make Corruption Great Again
     
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    Trump: " Did I tell you that time I made my own college? Yeah my own damn school to screw idiots."

    Patrick: "Good one. One time I managed to get the tax payers 10-15 grand for drapes. Beautiful drapes LOL!"

    Trump: "That is nothing, have you seen my use of the bankruptcy laws? Screwed! HAHA."

    Patrick: "I funneled tens of millions of dollars when I was elected!"

    Trump: "Some day I will tell you about some of the overseas stuff I have going on...."

    Patrick: "I got the tax dollars to pay for Cadillacs!"

    Trump: "Say you aren't such a bad guy after all."
     
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    Moderates seizing the day and taking back the Democratic party . . . according to the NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/18/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    How Moderates Are Seizing the Moment in the Democratic Primary
    New entrants into the race. A nod from Barack Obama. Centrist victories in governor’s contests. Moderates sense a favorable shift.

    By Alexander Burns
    Nov. 18, 2019Updated 2:18 p.m. ET

    LAS VEGAS — After spending months in anxious passivity, staking their hopes on Joseph R. Biden Jr. and little else, moderate Democrats appear suddenly determined to fight for control of their party in the 2020 elections.

    The shift in attitude has come in fits and starts over the last few weeks, seemingly more as an organic turn in the political season than as a product of coordinated action by party leaders. But each assertive act has seemed to build on the one before, starting with a debate-stage clash last month over “Medicare for all” and culminating in recent days with the entry of two new moderate candidates into the primary, Michael R. Bloomberg and Deval Patrick, and a gentle warning from former President Barack Obama that Democrats should not overestimate voters’ appetite for drastic change.

    Most convincing to some Democrats may be the off-year elections this month in Kentucky and Louisiana, where moderate-to-conservative Democrats prevailed in governors’ races that President Trump worked strenuously to win for his party. The victories bolstered the argument, advanced by some leading Democrats, that the party could peel away some of Mr. Trump’s supporters in 2020 by avoiding “litmus test” battles and courting the political middle.

    Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont. As the most liberal candidates set the agenda, many in the party establishment squirmed, anxious about alienating moderate voters.
    more at the link
     
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    OK, first Mayor Pete takes the lead in Iowa. Brace yourselves, because now he has also taken the lead in the latest poll in New Hampshire.

    New Hampshire (St. Anselm): Buttigieg 25, Warren 15, Biden 15, Sanders 9

    To be fair, he is still trailing in the RCP Average, although he Warren and Biden are all within the margin of error on these polls:

    New Hampshire (RCP Average): Warren 21, Biden 19, Buttigieg 19, Sanders 14


    If Mayor Pete wins the first two primaries, hold onto your ____.

    Surely this is just an early phase and the Democrats are not really going to do this. Someone convince me, please. Are they?
     
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    Another one bites the dust....
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/471267-Wayne-Messam-suspends-Democratic-presidential-campaign
     
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    pretty good article about Obama

     
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    https://emersonpolling.reportablene...uttigieg-surges-while-warren-and-biden-falter

    NH poll - Sanders jumped from third to first (+13), and Pete doubled his support moving up to second. Previously, Biden led with 24% and is now (-10) tied for third with Warren. This should also mean Tulsi has met the polling requirements to get in the next debate. Yang still needs 1 more qualifying poll.

    Dec requirements:
    • 200,000 unique donors
    • 4 percent in four national or state polls, or 6 percent in two polls of the early states (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina)
     
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    Mayor Pete now first in the RCP Poll average in both Iowa and Wisconsin:

    Iowa (RCP Poll Average)
    Buttigieg 24.0, Sanders 18.3, Warren 17.7, Biden 16.3

    New Hampshire (RCP Poll Average)
    Buttigieg 20.0, Sanders 17.0, Warren 14.3, Biden 13.7

    The national poll leader, Joe Biden now resides in fourth place in both races. And the previous flavor of the week, Elizabeth Warren (Pocahontas) is in third place in both races.It is still a bit too soon to say, but it looks like both of these two could be just about finished. How the wannabe mighty have fallen.

    But still motoring along in second like the energizer bunny, is the self described "Socialist" Bernie Sanders. Everyone else is just hanging on for dear life.

    If this is how they enter the voting in just over two months (68 days), this is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
     
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    From the Washington Post:

    What happened to Elizabeth Warren?

    Two things stand out pretty clearly in many of those charts: Warren’s drop and Buttigieg’s increase. Among “very liberal” respondents, both Biden and Buttigieg appear to have gained at Warren’s expense. Her support among moderates, once respectable, collapsed entirely. It’s worth noting that the shift against Warren came after significant focus on her approach to Medicare-for-all — which Quinnipiac suggests has relatively low support among Democratic moderates.

    Buttigieg didn’t gain any ground among black Democrats (something his campaign is no doubt concerned about), but he did see a marked increase among whites, primarily at Warren’s expense. He also gained from Warren’s plunge among voters over 65, while Warren’s drop among younger voters was to Biden’s benefit.

    Over and over, the pattern is the same: Warren goes down and Buttigieg goes up.​
     
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    Mayor Pete, under fire as a racist by Whoopi Goldberg and the ladies of 'The View,' who appear to believe that Mayor Pete 'Needs to get a little more woke'.

    'The View' pans Mayor Pete's past comments on race: 'Needs to get a little more woke'

    "The View" co-hosts derided Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg's comments on race, suggesting that he needed to get a "little more woke" as a 2020 presidential candidate.

    "You're motivated because you believe that at the end of your educational process, there is a reward, there is a stable life, there is a job," Buttigieg previously said. "And a lot of kids -- especially the lower income, minority neighborhoods -- who literally just haven't seen it work. There isn't somebody they know personally who testifies to the value of education."

    Co-host Whoopi Goldberg indicated that Buttigieg's comments were another indication that racism still existed. "Is this just a reminder that this does exist in the world? That's why people like Colin Kaepernick are kneeling, that's why people are protesting, that's why Black Lives Matter came out," she said.​

    As weak as his support has been among the critically important black community, this does not look very helpful.

    When a leading Democrat has Whoopi Goldberg callling them out as a racist just over two months before the first primary votes are cast in Iowa, that has to be a concern, not only to Mayor Pete, but to anyone who is primarily concerned with seeing the Democrats put forward a nominee who is strong enough politically to be competitive with Donald Trump next November.

    But he is currently leading in the RCP Poll Average in both Iowa and New Hampshire, two states that are notorious for having low levels of black voters compared to other states.
     
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    The Democratic Party has become an utter disaster. You've got an unholy mix of warmongering neocons who have somehow slithered their agenda into official party policy, a level of Russophobia that will end up in history books rivalling the mass hysteria of McCarthyism, and ultra-left progressives that have pushed so far in one direction they are no longer to the right of space itself. And here's the kicker: they all seem to hate each other.
     
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    Can you show me where Whoopi called him racist?

    I'll wait over here.
     
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    Here you go:

    'The View' pans Mayor Pete's past comments on race: 'Needs to get a little more woke'

    "The View" co-hosts derided Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg's comments on race, suggesting that he needed to get a "little more woke" as a 2020 presidential candidate.

    "You're motivated because you believe that at the end of your educational process, there is a reward, there is a stable life, there is a job," Buttigieg previously said. "And a lot of kids -- especially the lower income, minority neighborhoods -- who literally just haven't seen it work. There isn't somebody they know personally who testifies to the value of education."

    Co-host Whoopi Goldberg indicated that Buttigieg's comments were another indication that racism still existed. "Is this just a reminder that this does exist in the world? That's why people like Colin Kaepernick are kneeling, that's why people are protesting, that's why Black Lives Matter came out," she said.
    Now to be fair, if he was not a member of her tribe, she would have been more direct about it. And if he had been a Republican politician, she and the rest of that crew would have been if full meltdown mode, screaming "Racist" as loudly and as hatefully as they possibly could. But since he is a Democrat politician, and a leading presidential candidate no less, she managed to package these assertions in a somewhat more subtle manner than she otherwise ordinarily would.
     

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