My sister lives in Barcelona with her family. She's saying the Spanish media's propaganda regarding the events unfolding in Barcelona is on Soviet Union's level.
Speaking of Speaking of Russia.. why the hell is the Russian station in English and the English station in Spanish in Brcelano... actually the Russian and Korean station are in English... T_Man
I believe it. I'm shocked at Madrid's behavior towards who they claim are "their own citizens." It's Fascist, as in turning back the clock to Franco, and I'm not talking about James. I had some great times in Barcelona many years ago, and the people don't deserve what's happening to them. I'm worried that it will become really bad, like Northern Ireland was for so many years. I hope I'm wrong.
It's eerie how similar scenes look in Barcelona like how they look in HK. It makes me wonder if Brexit does end up going through if we see Northern Ireland and other parts of the UK looking like that too.
Are there any Spaniards that are pro-Spain? Basque Nationalists, Aragonese Nationalists, Valencian Nationalists, Andalusian Nationalists and more...
Spain needs to hurry up and implement UK style de-evolution. The current structure isn't sustainable over the long term. Not to suggest that UK's de-evolution is the perfect but if it hadn't been implemented, Scotland would have already seceded (although Brexit might make that happen anyway).
this is the same concept going back millennia, of bringing in outsiders to police the local populace. because otherwise catalans would likely not kick/shoot fellow catalans. this is how the roman empire controlled all its different regions, and this is now why the EU wants a national army
Madrid "cares" about Catalonia especially now that they are rich. England on the other hand doesn't care at all about Northern Ireland. Never did and it does even less now.
Can anyone recall a peaceful exit occurring? To say you want to leave means you are so hungry to leave you are willing to fight and possibly die for it. Do you think these protesters are at that point?
Yes, Slovakia left Czechia peacefully. (after both having gone through extreme oppression by the communists).
That's a great example. We were in Bratislava, the capital of Slovakia, about 3 years ago and really enjoyed it. We felt perfectly safe. It's smaller than most European capitals, not a lot over 400,000, but in a beautiful setting on the Danube. It's quirky, with bronze sculptures sitting on benches in the old part of the city, or crawling out of manhole covers. I would like to go back sometime. A Christmas market:
As a tourist, I never understood how deep the separatist movement was. Thought the Catalon flags draped were like Texas flags.
Thanks to all for the info... The trip was great!!!! Those knuckleheads were still protesting when we Disembarked... T_Man
It’s spreading? LOL it isn’t a disease and it is a good thing that when enough people are not having their needs met by the government or ruling class, that they protest or lash out. Civil disobedience is a catalyst for change.
I think "good" is subjective here. Sometimes protests are for the good reasons, sometimes people just get manipulated by political or foreign powers. Sometimes it can help a country move forward, sometimes it can set things back for decades. (I find especially young students who lack the life experience to understand how the world really works are more easily manipulated into pursuing unrealistic ideals cause they feel they are more "educated".)
