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Giving Trump The Significant Finger

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jun 7, 2018.

  1. Nook

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    There are ethics rules that govern. I do not know the rules of ethics for those running for a federal office. Many of the rules are odd. The contract language does not trump ethics rules and don’t trump public policy.

    There are limitations to non disclosure agreements as there are with non competition clauses. The same is true with prenuptial agreements. Simply contracting for something isn’t iron clad.

    Also most contracts are not evenly negotiated and courts no that.

    The issue is whether it is in the public’s good to have non disclosure agreements for employees of the President that work for his campaign. There is a clear path for a Judge to rule either way.

    I favor transparency, which is sorely lacking the last 18 years and has only gotten monumentally worse under Obama and now Trump.
     
  2. BigDog63

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    Fair points, and I do agree on the transparency part...I've just mostly given up on it. If most people realized all the crap that goes on that they don't know about, they'd probably start a revolution and physically oust everyone in power. The worst offenders are often those who speak about transparency the most, too.
    But I don't like the idea contracts just not applying when someone later decides they don't. Fraught with all sorts of issues. If this is just applying current law, that's ok.

    Prenuptial agreements are similar. What's the point of having any contracts/agreements like this if they can just be thrown out later? If that's the case, we should really just stop allowing such things in the first place.

    As for being evenly negotiated...that shouldn't be a reason either. they are never evenly negotiated...one side or the other will always have some advantage to some degree. The whole point of our system is for each side to try to get an advantage...that both do so exactly equally would almost never happen.
     
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  3. Nook

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    Most contracts are enforced in general. However non compete clauses, pre nuptial agreements and non disclosure clauses are often exploitative. So the courts are harder on these types of contracts.

    The law doesn’t view contracts as having the purpose of getting an advantage. In fact if a court believes that one sides has been exploited, they will rule those terms of the contract as void.
     
  4. BigDog63

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    Understand, and that's reasonable. If all that is happening in this particular case is applying the same standards and scrutiny that tends to get applied to these things...I don't have an issue with it. If they are trying to apply new standards or rulings, then I am more concerned.

    [/quote]The law doesn’t view contracts as having the purpose of getting an advantage. In fact if a court believes that one sides has been exploited, they will rule those terms of the contract as void.[/QUOTE]

    I would agree with 'exploited', but have issues with 'has an advantage'. Due to circumstances, someone may willingly sign a contract one could easily say the other party took advantage of them, without their being anything wrong with that. Consider the example of an NBA player who opts out of his contract, for going, say, $17M (I'm talking about you, Nerlens! :) ), doesn't get a new deal, signs for whatever minimum value is (many many millions less), just because that was the only offer out there....no one is really be 'exploited', they just found themselves in a bad situation that another party 'took advantage' of...getting them for many millions less than they might otherwise paid. The player's situation was definitely being taken advantage of, but no party was really harmed or exploited.
     
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  5. adoo

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    earlier in the week, USWNT captain, megan rapinoe, scored the team's only 2 goals defeating Spain

    her ensuring interview w 8 by 8,
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    drew the ire of Trump, who dished out 3 angry tweets.


    On Fri's game against France, rapinoe again scored the team's only 2 goals in the 2-1 victory
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The interview where she said f'ing White House was months ago not during the World Cup
     
  7. adoo

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    House Passed Resolution To Condemn Trump's racist attack


    The House passed a resolution condemning Donald Trump for his "racist comments" about four Democratic congresswomen of color. Four Rep and one Ind voted w the Dems to condemn the racist-in-chief.

    the resolution reads,

    "we strongly condemns President Donald Trump’s racist comments that have legitimized and increased fear and hatred of new Americans and people of color," ​

    "These comments from the White House are disgraceful and disgusting and the comments are racist," ​

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...n-condemning-trump-s-racist-comments-n1030266
     
  8. adoo

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    four House committees have gone full speed ahead investigating Trump's criminal acts and tax records.

    the occupant of the WH is feeling the heat; he has singled out Chairman Cumming, the only non-white lawmaker, for verbal attack. in fact, Jerry Nadler has started an impeachment investigation; he was not attacked


    The Baltimore Sun will have none of this racist attack; it has written this op ed

    "We would above all remind Mr. Trump that the 7th District, Baltimore included, is part of the United States that he is supposedly governing,"


    "The White House has far more power to effect change in this city, for good or ill, than any single member of Congress including Mr. Cummings. If there are problems here, rodents included, they are as much his responsibility as anyone’s, perhaps more because he holds the most powerful office in the land,"

    "We would tell
    the most dishonest man to ever occupy the Oval Office,

    the mocker of war heroes, the gleeful grabber of women’s private parts,
    he serial bankrupter of businesses,
    the useful idiot of Vladimir Putin and
    the guy who insisted there are 'good people' among murderous neo-Nazis that

    he’s still not fooling most Americans into believing he’s even slightly competent in his current post,"
    "Or that he possesses a scintilla of integrity,"

    "Better to have some vermin living in your neighborhood than to be one."



    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...-in-fiery-editorial-better-to-have-a-few-rats
     
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    Obamas Take Rare, Thinly-Veiled Swipe at Trump After Domestic Terror Mass Shootings: ‘Reject’ Leaders ‘Who Demonize’

    https://www.thenewcivilrightsmoveme...r-mass-shootings-reject-leaders-who-demonize/

    In the wake of this weekend’s domestic terror mass shootings that took the lives of now 31 people, the Obamas issued this statement

    “We should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds
    a climate of fear and hatred or normalizes racist sentiments,” “leaders who demonize those
    who don’t look like us, or suggest that other people, including immigrants, threaten our way of life, or
    refer to other people as sub-human, or imply that America belongs to just one certain type of people.”

    “Such language isn’t new,” , “it’s been at the root of most human tragedy throughout history, here in America and around the world.”

     
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  10. adoo

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    Nearly 300,000 people sign petition to rename
    Trump Tower's street
    to Barack H. Obama Avenue


    the petition reads

    "We request the New York City Mayor and City Council do the same by renaming a block of Fifth Avenue after the former president whose many accomplishments include: saving our nation from the Great Recession; serving two completely scandal-free terms in office; and taking out Osama bin Laden, the mastermind behind September 11th, which killed over 3,000 New Yorkers," creator Elizabeth Rowin wrote.

    The petition requests that all buildings between 56th and 57th Streets on Fifth Avenue change their addresses.
    If the campaign is successful, Trump Tower's new address would read:

    "725 President Barack H. Obama Avenue, New York, NY 10022."​


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...res-rename-5th-avenue-president-barack-obama/
     
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  11. adoo

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    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    He is such a disgraceful human being.

    Just a lying sack of ****.

    DD
     
  13. adoo

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    the dotard picked a twitter w the wrong couple


    Yesterday, NBC's Lester Holt aired a documentary on prison/justice in America. Singer John Legend was one of his guests.

    in the early hours today, the dotard tweeted insults at John Legend for not giving the Trump admin enough credit on
    criminal justice reform; he also added that Legend's wife, model Christie Teigen, has a foul mouth.

    the strident couple responded promptly


    Legend's wife, Christie Teigen fired right back with a colorful insult of her own.







     
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    Our Republic Is Under Attack From the President

    By William H. McRaven, former commander of the United States Special Operations Command.​


    it may be time for the U.S. to get a new president, since President Donald Trump is not a capable leader.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/opinion/trump-mcraven-syria-military.html
     
  16. Ottomaton

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    Not sure exactly where this goes but I read it and LOL'd.

    General Mattis, Trump's former SecDef, at a charity gala in NY:

    Ouch.
     
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  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    I really liked his Meryl Streep comment even better. Guy is seriously witty and self-effacing but still clearly understands he's 100x the human being and intellect of someone like DJT.
     
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    A Federal Appeals Court Just Ruled That

    Trump Can't Invoke "Presidential Immunity" To Block
    A Grand Jury Subpoena
    For His Tax Returns

    It's the latest loss for Putin's useful idiot in his bid to stop any disclosure of his personal financial records, especially his tax returns. The US Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit ruled that

    any immunity Trump might be entitled to against criminal prosecution didn't apply to
    a state grand jury subpoena to his accounting firm, and rejected his argument that
    there was a "serious stigma" associated with being the "target" of a criminal investigation.
    "There is no obvious reason why a state could not begin to investigate a President during his term and, with the information
    secured during that search, ultimately determine to prosecute him after he leaves office,"

     
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    CYCLIST WHO LOST HER JOB FOR FLIPPING THE BIRD AT DONALD TRUMP'S MOTORCADE
    Briskman, 52, won severance pay after she sued her former employer and the incident spurred her to run for office. She used the image as a selling point for her bid for the Algonkian District in Loudoun County, Virginia.


    In her campaign announcement, she said: "You might know me as the woman who was fired for flipping off the Presidential motorcade. And while it may be the most public display of my political opinion and activism, I have been deeply involved in the Loudoun County community for nearly 20 years."
     
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