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'19 Stros VS '27 Yanks and '95 Braves

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Jeremy Williams, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. Jeremy Williams

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    As I stand amazed at the depth and quality of our 25 man roster, I had to wonder how this team would stand up against the greatest lineups and rotations in history. Here is what I found. For the purposes of these comparisons I decided to use OPS+ for hitting and ERA+ for pitching.

    1927 Yankees

    Ruth 225
    Gehrig 220
    Combs 141
    Collins 116
    Meusel 135
    Lazzeri 125
    Koenig 83
    Dugan 78
    Morehart 79
    Grabowski 78
    Gazella 115
    Durst 58
    AVERAGE 121.0833333

    2019 Astros

    Springer 153
    Bregman 145
    Correa 138
    Altuve 135
    Brantley 135
    Gurriel 120
    Chirinos 110
    Marisnick 101
    Reddick 88
    Diaz 114
    Alvarez 190
    Maldonado 72
    AVERAGE 125.0833333

    While the Yankees have 2 of the greatest hitters of all-time in their lineup in Ruth and Gehrig, the 2019 Astros have more lineup depth. The OPS+ average lends a 4 point nod to the 2019 Astros.



    1995 Braves

    Maddux 260
    Glavine 137
    Smoltz 133
    Avery 91
    Mercker 102
    Wohlers 204
    McMichael 152
    Clontz 116
    Borbon 138
    Bedrosian 70
    Schmidt 74
    Stanton 77
    Pena 105
    AVERAGE 127.6153846


    2019 Astros

    Verlander 166
    Cole 156
    Greinke 154
    Miley 146
    Sanchez 78
    Harris 266
    Pressly 221
    Peacock 108
    Devenski 106
    Rondon 106
    Osuna 175
    Biagini 123
    McHugh 81
    AVERAGE 145.0769231

    I'm choosing and picking a little here with regards to whom I have picked as the 13 pitchers. Still, the depth of our pitching staff is absurd. Harris' 266 is crazy.

    Ultimately, this team will be judged on whether or not it wins the WS. If it does so, an argument can be made that we have the best 25 man roster in history.
     
  2. crose

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    What don’t I understand about ERA+ since it says Harris is our best pitcher.

    -nothing against Harris, I know he has been good this year.
     
  3. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Harris has the ability to control time, and start the day over. He knows the future. If you know the future, you can't lose. He's a perfectly evolved world dominating organism.
     
  4. Jeremy Williams

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    Yeah. Harris has the best ERA on the team at 1.69. (Osuna 2.56; Pressly 2.03). We all know that Harris hasn't been the best pitcher on the team, but he has limited the most run damage in about the same # of innings pitched. I think Harris isn't remembered as well because he hasn't pitched in high leverage spots nearly as often as Pressly/Osuna.
     
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    Yes, that and game 4 of the 2015 ALDS.
     
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    Let's put the brakes on 1927 Yankees comparisons.

    They won 110 out of 154 games. They still have the record for run differential at 376. 4 players had over 100 RBIs, including Ruth at 164 and Gehrig at 175. Their team batting average was .307. 5 starters and one bench guy hit over .300 with Combs and Ruth at .356 and Gehrig at .373. Muesel hit .357. Six players had over 150 hits. Gehrig and Combs had over 200 hits and Ruth came in at 192 with a record for walks on top of that. Gehrig had 18 triples and 47 HRs, Ruth, of course, had 60 HRs. Combs added 23 triples. They had 4 pitchers with over 18 wins. On July 4th, the played a double-header against Washington and won both games by the same score of 21-1.They won the pennant by 19 games and went 11-2 in post-season with a sweep in the World Series.

    We're good but we are not legendary.

    Yet.
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    All Correa had to do was turn a routine double play....
     
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    Have you been reading "All You Need is Kill?"
     
  9. Wulaw Horn

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    Totally different and easier offensive environment in baseball. That was around the time Hack Wilson was driving in 190. Ops+ normalizes for park and era and makes things fair.
    This Astros team is awesome.
     
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    Edit: Clutchfans is so fu**king difficult to post on with the ads and moving interface etc....
     
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    [​IMG]
     
  12. Jeremy Williams

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    Updated Comparisons:


    1927 Yankees


    Ruth 225
    Gehrig 220
    Combs 141
    Collins 116
    Meusel 135
    Lazzeri 125
    Koenig 83
    Dugan 78
    Morehart 79
    Grabowski 78
    Gazella 115
    Durst 58
    AVERAGE 121.0833333

    2019 Astros

    Springer 146
    Bregman 162
    Correa 137
    Altuve 128
    Brantley 126
    Gurriel 126
    Chirinos 106
    Marisnick 81
    Reddick 88
    Diaz 109
    Alvarez 179
    Maldonado 108
    Tucker 125
    AVERAGE 124.69


    1995 Braves

    Maddux 260
    Glavine 137
    Smoltz 133
    Avery 91
    Mercker 102
    Wohlers 204
    McMichael 152
    Clontz 116
    Borbon 138
    Bedrosian 70
    Schmidt 74
    Stanton 77
    Pena 105
    AVERAGE 127.6153846


    2019 Astros

    Verlander 183
    Cole 184
    Greinke 154
    Miley 116
    Urquidy 118
    Harris 308
    Pressly 197
    Peacock 117
    Devenski 95
    Rondon 123
    Osuna 174
    Biagini 64
    James 99
    AVERAGE 148.615385

    A BIG IF we win the World Series, this team should dawn G.O.A.T. status.
     
  13. Major

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    This method of averaging is not right - it values each pitcher equally, regardless of innings pitched. Cole and JV were worth less this season than Harris, according to this.
     
  14. Jeremy Williams

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    Well, I'm using the same method on the 95 Braves. Feel free to break it down per inning, if you like!
     
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    I don't like doing this. Reminds me of the 2005 USC vs battles in history. That didn't go well for USC.
    But if we must, I have Verlander pitching a no hitter.
     
  16. AstrosRockets1818

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    Exactly. The 2019 Astros would smoke the 1927 Yankees. You know why? Because all those Yankees are dead.
     
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  17. bobrek

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    Will Harris is far and away better than every single 1995 Atlanta pitcher or 2109 Astros pitcher.
     
  18. Jeremy Williams

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    Per inning, he certainly has been. ERA+ does have it’s shortcomings.....
     
  19. Major

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    What do you know that the rest of us don't?
     

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