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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

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    Pfffft, this is real talk from political savants.
     
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  2. MojoMan

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    That is a great question. Thank you for asking.

    Actually, I think she is doing great for herself here. She is improving her national stature within the party and as a US Senator. She is also improving her ability to fund-raise and raise money for herself.

    I think she is doing as well for herself as she can do. My honest advice is for her to keep doing what she is doing for as long as she can. She probably will not win the nomination, but that is OK. If she somehow does win the nomination, she is not likely to beat Trump in the general election. No shame in going out and doing your best.

    There is nothing wrong with her running for office if she wants to. But some people are just not going to win and it seems to me that she is probably one of those candidates. However, if she sticks with it for as long as she can, she will strengthen her political standing, which is probably in itself a worthwhile goal for her to keep doing this.
     
  3. Rashmon

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    Oh, the irony...
     
  4. MojoMan

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    So Politico is at it again. Here are three stories that they have on the Democrat frontrunners today, which fit exactly with the narrative that they are promoting the candidacy of Elizabeth Warren at the expense of Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.

    First they hammer Joe Biden really quite hard. This is really something here folks. It more and more appears that they do not believe that Biden can win and they do not want to waste any more time pretending as if they do.

    Another day on Joe Biden’s damage control tour

    So it was Biden left South Carolina, his early state firewall, still trying to repair the damage done from two missteps that are likely to surface yet again next week during the campaign’s first debates. Together, the episodes are serving as a reminder that significant elements of the former vice president’s record — and the political era that birthed him — have fallen out of step with whole swaths of the Democratic Party today.

    “He still has support among a demographic that is older and more familiar with him,” said Gilda Cobb-Hunter, an influential South Carolina state lawmaker who, in a private meeting with Biden and black leaders Friday, urged Biden to apologize for his remarks about segregationists. “But for newer voters … there are questions about his apparent failure to just apologize and move on.”​

    And here comes an article promoting the "Woman's card" with a great big picture of Elizabeth Warren front and center at the top of the article. When did we last experience this and what was the result again?

    The Real Reason We’re More Likely to Elect a Woman in 2020

    Studies tell us there’s a huge difference between having just one versus multiple women competing for a job.​

    I mention this because while the US is ready for a woman president, it cannot and should not be because it is a woman's "turn," regardless of who the woman is. Rather, our first woman president needs to be able to present themselves as the best candidate for the job with no regard for whether they are a woman or a man.

    The Democrat left media is doing their women candidates a real disservice by hanging the "identity politics" albatross around their necks. We have reached a sufficient stage of revulsion in the country towards "Political correctness" that this can only make their efforts to achieve this threshold harder and not easier. But these people just do not seem to be able to learn from their past mistakes.

    And thirdly, an article about Bernie Sanders.

    What Would Bernie Bomb?

    In 2020, Sanders is campaigning as a peace candidate. But his congressional record, and his top foreign policy adviser, suggest that events could turn him into a war president.​

    This is about Bernie's foreign policy position. The article is long and a bit convoluted. It leaves the impression of confusion and indecisiveness and a lack of any identifiable clarity. While this is not wrong, it is not the sort of article they tend to write about the candidates they are trying to promote. And look at the title. Can you imagine these people writing an article like this about Barack Obama? Because they certainly could have.

    The billion dollar question is how much independence will Democrat voters demonstrate - independence from their media masters and PC though leaders - during the primary process over the next year? We saw the Republican voters last time shock virtually all of the so-called "experts" to pick someone they thought would do things the way, and tell their usual leaders to effectively drop dead. The sense of shock and the cognitive dissonance that this imposed on them continues to reverberate to this day.

    Will the Democrat voters demonstrate their own similar independence this time? Or will they fall in line behind their PC thinking masters, such as the people at Politico?
     
  5. biff17

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    None of those articles is promoting Avenadi as president and only one is taking him seriously.

    Those articles are reporting on his interest to run.

    Stop lying.
     
  6. biff17

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    So now the in thing to do with right wing types is to find any supposed negative article on Democratic candidates and spread them around as much as possible?

    Seems like a winning strategy.
     
  7. MojoMan

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    The articles posted today from Politico are being spread by Politico. The one about women candidates featuring a large picture of Elizabeth Warren is not intended by them to be negative. What is interesting - and it should be even to you - is that the two articles about Biden and Sanders are pretty clearly intended to be negative.

    Keep your eyes open and see if you spot similar behavior trends by other establishment Democrat left leaning media.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    This might blow your mind, but maybe in those editorials, the authors genuinely like Warren over Biden?l based on non trivial things such as policies, intelligence and competence.
     
  9. MojoMan

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    Maybe this is just to hard for you.
     
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  10. MojoMan

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    Elizabeth Warren is calling for reparations for same sex couples.

    Elizabeth Warren Demands Reparations For Gay And Lesbian Couples

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., on Thursday reintroduced the Refund Equality Act, a bill that would allow same-sex couples to amend past tax returns and receive refunds from the IRS.

    “The federal government forced legally married same-sex couples in Massachusetts to file as individuals and pay more in taxes for almost a decade,” Warren said in a statement. “We need to call out that discrimination and to make it right — Congress should pass the Refund Equality Act immediately.”

    {More at the link}​

    More reparations. And this time for homosexuals. Is this really what the Democrats want to run on? This is all becoming positively surreal.
     
  11. biff17

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    Those things you posted from politico where opinion pieces.

    I have no issue with candidates being reported on about things that might be considered negative it's called vetting.

    It's not a conspiracy it's what the media is supposed to do.
     
  12. biff17

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    Oh boy.

    Your act is surreal.
     
  13. Cohete Rojo

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    Beto’s numbers were slipping.

    So he decided to go “full r****d”.

    Question is: has it manifested, yet?
     
  14. MojoMan

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    Willie Nelson came out and endorsed Beto just this last weekend. Maybe that will give him the spark he has been looking for.
     
  15. Cohete Rojo

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    It will devolve into the Paris Commune before long.
     
  16. MojoMan

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    It really does not look like this sort of position is any more defensible than that was. Does she want to rule or just stir up crap for a little while? With these sorts of positions and the other "free stuff" agendas, it continues to look more like the latter.
     
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    If the NYPD receives a complaint, they will investigate it. That would be the right way to pursue this. But just like with Christine Blasey Ford, no complaint has ever been filed.

    These are criminal accusations - if there actually are any such formal accusations - and the criminal justice process is the correct venue for pursuing this. Otherwise, there is nothing to be acted upon here. Next.
     
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    I don't think she can be any more powerful than a US Senator unless she does become President. VP is a ceremonial spot. Governor would be a lateral move. Maybe she can cement her position to become the Senate Majority Leader when the Democrats take the majority, but that's about all I can think of.

    I had heard the gay reparations headline earlier and thought it was stupid. But, now that I read about the actual proposal, that makes a ton of sense. The damages incurred by legally married people who should have been able to file jointly would be easy to quantify down to the dollar. Why not do it? Calling it 'reparations' is just trying to politick the issue. This is just tax accounting.
     
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  20. MojoMan

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    Well, I disagree with you on the issue, obviously, but that is not really the point here. The issue is whether this is a sound basis for a successful presidential campaign, first of all in the primaries, and if she could somehow win the nomination, then in a general election.

    This looks to me to be virtue signalling for the Democrat left, which does a lot to achieve what you discussed in your first paragraph, but which makes it look like she is not really all that serious about pursuing a serious presidential run. Which was my sense when I posted the OP for this thread at the beginning of this year.

    Forget about whether you like the proposal or not. She is supposedly running for president. Do you really think that this sort of a proposal will help her to achieve that objective? Really?
     

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