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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

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    It's not particularly funny. But, it does speak a bit to where I'm at. Democrats think running as the anti-Trump isn't sufficient and they need some message to vote for beyond that. I'm not too down. What I'd like is a Democrat running on a return to regular order. They're not really offering that. If only the messaging was contained to getting the colluding racist sexist out of office, I'd be happy, but they want to couple that with some bad policy ideas plus a strong move left that will inevitably provoke an even stronger conservative reaction.
     
  2. biff17

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    What candidates are actually actually advocating for a strong move to left?

    Berny and Harris are the only ones I can think of.
     
  3. MojoMan

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    A list of which candidates who are not moving hard to the left would be by far the shorter list.
     
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    I think it's reasonable to assume given your posting history, you really aren't a great arbiter of "what is extremist left".

    It's funny how the GOP is willing to fight for their extremists ideas. I mean they literally elected a man who explicitly on national TV stated that he wants to ban an entire religious group from immigrating. Talk about extremism.

    But the Democrats have to play it safe and have to find the perfect centrist instead of fighting for believes they genuinely hold rather than appease insincere actors like yourself who would never vote for a Democrat even if they were "centrist" in the first place.


    It's one of aspects of the GOP I'm genuinely jealous of. They try harder to push their core beliefs regardless of how extremist those believes are.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Start with the ones that are ready to pitch Obamacare overboard in favor of government price controls on healthcare services.
     
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    Not really keeping up with that but who is that actually?

    Not being snarky but does Medicare for all means doing away with Obama care of is it a choice?

    And is is it more than 5 candidates?
     
  7. biff17

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    What are the Democrats core beliefs?
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    I guess the point is that I consider all the Medicare-for-All proposals to be a significant move to the left of where Obamacare was at. Obamacare was trying to use market forces to bend the price curve down; Medicare-for-All uses government power and/or monopsony power to reduce prices. Medicare-for-All backers include Sanders, Harris, Castro, Gabbard, Yang, Hickenlooper, Buttigieg, and Warren, at least. Others are calling for expansion of Medicare, but maybe not universal coverage. No one I have seen has dared say in public, "let's keep Obamacare and make it better." That's just one area. They are also more aggressive on climate change, on wealth inequality, on race, etc than where Obama was at.
     
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    I would have grouped Sanders and Warren as the two furthest left. Then Harris, Booker, O'Rourke, Castro, and Gillibrand in the next group. Hickenlooper, Klobucher, Buttiegieg and Ryan are probably the next group (towards the center).
     
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    Ok that's reasonable I have not drilled down on what the candidates stance are because I think they will change as the field tightens up.

    did not know Pete was Medicare for all, I am not opposed but need to see some specifics.
     
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    Don't disagree but Warren seems to be more pragmatic and Harris seems to be latching on to anything that is creating buzz.
     
  12. JuanValdez

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    I think that's a fair grouping, depending on whether you think economic reforms or racial reforms are the more radical. My point in bringing it up though was regarding the conservative reaction such a presidency would provoke. Sanders and Warren would provoke a very strong reaction to their socialism! but Harris, Booker, and Castro would probably also get the wrath just for being nonwhite, like Obama did. Buttigieg might actually get the strongest reaction out of anyone for being gay even if he governed in a centrist way. A gay president would be a culture war atom bomb that would demand maximum reciprocation.
     
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  13. JuanValdez

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    Apparently, he likes the more wonkish "all payer rate setting" in which, as I understand it, insurance companies still handle the operations, but the government sets the prices. Still the antithesis of a market solution. Here's an article: https://www.vox.com/2015/2/9/8001173/all-payer-rate-setting
     
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    Interesting.

    Not a big market solutions guy but also don't like government overreach.
     
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    I remember when republicans kept calling President Obama a "socialist" (well, they called him "socialist", "communist", "pacifist", "black panther", etc).

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    Terry McAuliffe will not run for President in 2020. With this announcement, Joe Biden is the only centrist who MIGHT run for the Democrats. But it is getting late and he is still dragging his feet. If Biden does not run, this is going to get really ugly and be extremely radical.

    McAuliffe says he won't run for president in 2020

    Former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) said Wednesday that he will not join the crowded field vying to win the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020. The former governor said he will instead focus his efforts on helping the Democratic Party win the majority in the state House and Senate

    "We’ve got issues in Virginia, and I’m concerned about Virginia, and since February we’ve had a lot of problems there," McAuliffe told CNN host Chris Cuomo, referencing recent scandals involving the state's Democratic governor, lieutenant governor and attorney general.​
     
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    Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA)(???) tosses his hat into the race to become the 20th Democrat on the list.

    Massachusetts Rep. Seth Moulton becomes 20th Democratic presidential candidate

    Massachusetts Rep. Seth Moulton announced his presidential campaign on Monday, becoming the 20th candidate to join the 2020 Democratic primary. The 40-year-old congressman and former Marine, who served four tours of duty in Iraq, is aiming to claim the foreign policy and national security mantle in the crowded field, and is pitching his campaign as a call for new leadership.​

    Alrighty then. Still more to come. This is really going to be something.
     
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    Matthew Walther asks "Will every living Democrat run for president?"

    an excerpt:

    . . . If somebody had asked me last week whether "Seth Moulton, congressman from Massachusetts, a moderate New Democrat, enthusiastic about public transportation and veterans' affairs," was a real presidential candidate I would have said absolutely not. There are already four obscure white male current or former members of the House running for president. Then Moulton announced on Monday morning.

    The 2020 election might end up being memorable for any number of reasons: record fundraising by the DNC, the first live on-air use of the F-word in a presidential debate, the re-election of arguably the least popular incumbent president in American history. But it is definitely going to be remembered as the time that every living American older than 34 and younger than 110 sought to be the Democratic nominee.

    This is a problem. How are ordinary voters, the kind of people who take politics seriously enough to participate in primary elections but don't spend 40 hours a week reading Axios and watching MSNBC supposed to keep them all straight? Everyone knows who Bernie Sanders is. Ditto Elizabeth Warren. Otherwise, though? Amy Klobuchar is a senator from somewhere. So is Kamala Harris. At least one of them is mean, I think? Cory Booker, the Stanford tight end, is also tight with the financial services industry in his home state of New Jersey. Kirsten Gillibrand used to be a moderate on guns. Tulsi Gabbard used to be socially conservative, like Tim Ryan, and wishes we would be nicer to Bashar al-Assad. Jay Inslee is allegedly the governor of Washington state. Pete Buttigieg is the mayor of a small Midwestern city who claims to speak eight languages.​

    https://theweek.com/articles/836559/every-living-democrat-run-president
     
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    [Educational Post]

    Democrats' Core Beliefs
    • Higher taxes. Reach right into your pocket and grab.
    • Abortion up until birth. Snuffing out babies' heartbeats (very cruel)
    • Hiking your energy costs by promoting green energy fantasies. Ultimate goal: no planes, no skyscrapers, plugging cows sphincters
    • Unattractive women dropping deuces in men's restrooms (hopefully not in the urinals, which they may not recognize or properly identify)
    • Taking your guns such that the only ones with guns will be 1) the police; 2) the military; 3) criminals
    • Open borders + full entitlements (healthcare, welfare, retirement) for illegals. System obviously collapses on itself under these circumstances.
    • Promoting labor unions that will drive up costs, lower productivity and force employers to ship jobs abroad to stay in business
    • Weak, ineffective foreign policy reminiscent of the Obama doctrine

    GOOD DAY
     
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