Trump: Transgenders no longer welcome in the military

Well he managed to avoid it so you don't have to worry about that.

 

For those that are against homosexuality (meaning against gay marriage, etc.), I am always curious as to the source of that. My original source was the Bible. Then, I realized that there are so many contradictory elements to the Bible that I couldn't really use that as a definitive source.

So, I thought about biologically. Because, well, it takes a man and a woman to have a baby - so, because of that, homosexuality is wrong, right?

But, then, you realize that some couples never have kids- so the whole "we're only together to procreate" doesn't hold water either.

Then, you realize that after years of hearing the word "fa**ot" and "queer" slung around, you start to label those people as "wrong" or "bad" or "mentally ill" or whatever. So, that anti-LGBTQ sentiment is more based on that.

Because, really, there is so, so much more for us to be concerned with. There are TRULY mentally ill people out there whose purpose is to do harm to other human beings. Those are the people I worry about. I've never had one negative experience with anyone characterized as LGBTQ (OK, maybe one time out of 100s), so I just don't get the "anti-" sentiment.

All I know is that if anyone is basing that on religion, maybe you're the one who has some mental matters to tend to (based on what we know about the extraordinarily contradictory nature of religions in general- and that's coming from a born-and-raised Catholic).

 

Respectually, many disagree with you:

http://time.com/4424589/being-transgender-is-not-a-mental-disorder-study/

https://www.livescience.com/55554-transgender-identity-classification.html

Why Transgender People Experience More Mental Health Issues
It has nearly everything to do with the way they are treated.

This last one makes the most sense to me. I've seen how a gay man gets treated first-hand- for about 5 years while I worked at Mr. Gatti's in putting myself through college. I can imagine how a TG person gets crapped on, as well.

Because people gotta be up in people's ****, basically, when they should let them be.

 

I don't think you should conflate homosexuality with transsexualism. They aren't the same thing, one is a sexual preference, the other is a mental disorder.

Many, do not

http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/F01-F99/F60-F69/F64-/F64.0

Even the much more political DSM has "Gender dysphoria" listed.

 

Universally, everyone agrees that autism is a mental disorder.
Universally, not everyone agrees that transsexualism is a mental disorder.

I'll end with that. Gotta go for the day- later!

 

I don't think anyone defending this ban has anything concrete to support it. It's a miniscule budgetary expense compared to the expense of viagra. I've yet to see one news article cited from anyone defending this that shows active military TG soldiers interrupting protocol in the military. Find a recorded instance where someone TG negatively affected their ability to perform active duty. In fact find many instances of TG's negatively affecting our military so there's some concrete evidence to support this ban. Give me some statistics to back this up. Show me a drill sergeant or military commander who said TG's existing in the military is negatively affecting all soldiers ability to do their job. I've yet see to one.

It's a fact that the Trump administration circumvented our own military experts to enact this policy. You'd think it would be the military experts who should have the most say in whether this is effective policy or not. Instead, they want nothing to do with this. I wonder why. I wonder why the U.S., land of the free of and home of the brave, is going backwards compared to other progressive nations that find no issue welcoming TG soldiers in their military.

I've asked my friends that served if this is even a big deal. They don't personally recall ever knowingly working with a homosexual or TG person because they never bothered to pry in other soldier's personal lives while on active duty. To them, it's making an issue out of a non-issue because TG's do not negatively affect our military.

 

This. I've had a few people over the years take a course of mine who turned out later to switch gender.(found out through FB.) These were bright people who did very well in my class FWIW. Not sure they are mentally ill in any capacity unless you want to say gay people are mentally ill.

 

Are you past 42?

 

Which btw used to be a favored argument against gay people...

 

If a person is mentally unstable then they shouldn't serve regardless of gender orientation. If are stable then it shouldn't matter. This should be handled at the person level.

 

This guy is just a giant troll, right?

 

Those who "disagree" do so for political purposes. Any other delusional state is considered a mental disorder. Now you can argue that their delusions don't harm anyone else, I'll listen to that discussion, but there's simply no solid argument that transsexualism isn't a mental disorder.

 

How much did DOD spend annually on viagra? Is that in this thread already?

The answer is 84 million, ten times the cost for transgender care

 

How is that relevant to a discussion about the military banning those with certain mental disorders?

 

Add smitheygerard and KevinsBacon to the ole ignore. Trump trolls out today.

 

Those who agree do so for political purposes, as well. Note the source for the majority of the "transsexualism is a disease"- conservative sites. What a surprise.

So, if both sides are injecting politics, then you can't say definitively that it is a disorder, and you can't dismiss it as there is "no solid argument." Well, you can, but we know that's your modus operandi.

Really, BTG, you crack me up, "transsexualism is a disease, and it just cannot be argued otherwise." Yeah, OK. For every single point you make, there is a solid counter-argument that any reasonable person can make.

You need to brush up on your Piaget, I think.

 

Everyone should follow suit.

eta: I see they are currently spamming the Hangout with stupidity as well.

 

Not to sound hateful or insensitive but how many dudes got together with a chick with a dick unknowingly? You paid for the deal and think it would be a waste of money to back out at the last minute?

 

Perhaps because the tweets from the CiC mentioned money? He never mentioned it being a mental disorder, just a distraction and a cost.