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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MambaJoe, Dec 18, 2012.

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when you hit a grand slam in extra innings like our GM did, even Fran will start writing good things about our glorious red.

#21 conquistador#11, Dec 18, 2012

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This is false. Stats disagree with you also. I don't want to find all the numbers because I am lazy. but they are all available at BBall Reference & synergy if you care to look. Here are improvements just off the top of my head that I have seen thus far comparing last year to this year. His TOR rate is a lot better. His FG% at the rim is better. His passing stats are better his passing all in all is better. No look passes, bounce passes in traffic all of that he never did last year. His defense is a lot better. His scoring as the PNR ball handler is better. His spot up shooting is better (believe it or not). His transition game is better. His ability to move off the ball is better also, (he never cut last year) & I have seen him cut this year a few times.

I would also add that his ball handling is better than last year but still can improve & his left hand is better than last year as well but still can improve also.

Even if you disagree with me on everything, you can't argue with his defense it has been really good much better than last year. In fact it has been the most consistent aspect of his game.

So your initial statement that he hasn't improved on any of his weaknesses is false.
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Are you serious? I said that even though his turnover rates is better this year which means that he's making smarter plays, and taking care of the ball better but again, a lot of his weaknesses hasn't improve much.

His ball handling is still shaky even though its just a tad bit better, he is still shaky at going left and his jumpers is still extremely streaky. I'm not going to criticized him all day and I don't hate Lin because I really want him to be a great player but he still has a lot of weaknesses in his game and most of that weaknesses are the same as last season. He's not gong to be able to improve all his weaknesses over the summer and it will take time.

#22 MambaJoe, Dec 18, 2012
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You can say its unfair if you want but I can guarantee you that Lin did not work as hard as Parsons did on their jumper over the off season. Yes I know shooting in practice is totally different from shooting in games.

But when you're practicing your shots and have a good shooting form and release down, your shots would eventually fall. I'm not saying that Lin didn't work on his jumper but I said that this gives hope for Lin to improve his jumper.

With Lin, its all about his confidence in his jumpers and I know he does not have any confidence in it. But if he worked incredibly hard on his jumpers and feels comfortable with his shooting form, then he would have a lot more confidence in his shots. Plus, Im not talking about only 3 point shots but just FGs in general.

At the end, Lin needs to continue to work hard on his jumper if he wants to be successful because teams would just back off of him and make him shoot. Lin has a better shooting form than Parsons did last year. Parsons shooting form last season was pretty bad and inconsistent. But with hard work, you can improve on your weaknesses.

So far this season, Lin hasn't really improve on any of his weaknesses and I was really looking forward to see him improve as a player. Though is turnover rate is a little better but he is still shaky going left, shaky ball handler and his shots are incredibly streaky. A lot of times, when left wide open, Lin is still missing shots after shots. That's why I said that if Lin would work incredibly hard on his weaknesses over the off-season, he will be a really good player.
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Lin has been up and down but I think there has been alot of improvement in his play even in the last couple weeks. Alot of his issues have to do with being aggressive and building chemistry with Harden. I agree his shot needs work but we are coming off wins against NY and BOS and in both games Lin looked decent. He is starting to fill his role. He had 7 assists in the first half of the BOS game. The SA game when he dropped 38 seemed to ignite him a little. I expect he will look vastly different in April. Just has to attack and stay healthy. He needs to learn not to fall down so much. Ive seen him take some hard falls. Also, he's averaging 6 assists. The ppg will improve and hopefully he can learn to protect the ball a little better. We are only 20 games in.

#23 AbrahamLincoln, Dec 18, 2012
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Wasn't Jeremy Lin recovering from knee surgery over the summer and therefore literally couldn't put in the offseason work on his jumper even if he wanted to?

#24 BeeBeard, Dec 18, 2012
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roxxy said: ↑

This is false. Stats disagree with you also. I don't want to find all the numbers because I am lazy. but they are all available at BBall Reference & synergy if you care to look. Here are improvements just off the top of my head that I have seen thus far comparing last year to this year. His TOR rate is a lot better. His FG% at the rim is better. His passing stats are better his passing all in all is better. No look passes, bounce passes in traffic all of that he never did last year. His defense is a lot better. His scoring as the PNR ball handler is better. His spot up shooting is better (believe it or not). His transition game is better. His ability to move off the ball is better also, (he never cut last year) & I have seen him cut this year a few times.

I would also add that his ball handling is better than last year but still can improve & his left hand is better than last year as well but still can improve also.

Even if you disagree with me on everything, you can't argue with his defense it has been really good much better than last year. In fact it has been the most consistent aspect of his game.

So your initial statement that he hasn't improved on any of his weaknesses is false.
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Also, I didn't say his defense was bad because he plays great team defense.

#25 MambaJoe, Dec 18, 2012
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MambaJoe said: ↑

Also, I didn't say his defense was bad because he plays great team defense.
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Congratulations in making a post about an article complimenting Chandler Parsons into yet another one debating Jeremy Lin.

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#26 Nimo, Dec 18, 2012
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MambaJoe said: ↑

After Lin recovered from his knee injury, he wanted to play on the USA Select team so he can practice against some of the best players in the USA Men's team but he couldn't because of his contract situation.

It wasn't like Lin was injured and was rehabbing his knee the entire summer. He was on that Asian tour where he went to Taiwan..
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Once again though. Parsons is playing at a really high level right now. Looking into his numbers from last year to this year the growth is amazing. Just watching games you can see the improvement. Don't even get me started on how much better Asik is than last year, if anyone is deserving of MIP on the roster it is definitely him. But it is just false to say that Lin hasn't improved. And this whole he went on a Asia tour & wasn't working on his game handle is dumb. Just a few thoughts.

#27 roxxy, Dec 18, 2012

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Nimo said: ↑

Congratulations in making a post about an article complimenting Chandler Parsons into yet another one debating Jeremy Lin.

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I second that.

#28 jtr, Dec 18, 2012
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AbrahamLincoln said: ↑

Lin has been up and down but I think there has been alot of improvement in his play even in the last couple weeks. Alot of his issues have to do with being aggressive and building chemistry with Harden. I agree his shot needs work but we are coming off wins against NY and BOS and in both games Lin looked decent. He is starting to fill his role. He had 7 assists in the first half of the BOS game. The SA game when he dropped 38 seemed to ignite him a little. I expect he will look vastly different in April. Just has to attack and stay healthy. He needs to learn not to fall down so much. Ive seen him take some hard falls. Also, he's averaging 6 assists. The ppg will improve and hopefully he can learn to protect the ball a little better. We are only 20 games in.
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You're right. He's still improving and I'm not doubting his talent and a lot of his issues are mainly because of being too passive or not enough confidence. I'm not hating on Lin or anything. I know some people here that said Lin was rehabbing his knee over the off-season so he couldn't work on his game but actually, his doctor cleared him to get back onto the court like a week after the Knicks were eliminated from the playoffs.

Lin also wanted to practice with the USA Men basketball team but couldn't because of his contract situation so overall, Lin was healthy enough to play basketball over the summer.

#29 MambaJoe, Dec 18, 2012
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I second that.
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I deserve blame as well. Should have just not commented. My apologies. Back to Parsons.

This was a really fun piece, the best part of the article was this sentence particularly the bold, “Then I noticed that in our 2-on-2, drills, 3-on-3, 4-on-4, 5-on-5, Chandler’s team always won. There’s a value to that. That’s a big deal to me. After all, winning is what we’re supposed to be all about.”

This was also really good as well. "I don’t know if enough people in the NBA value intangibles when it comes time to draft or acquire players.”

So very true. The draft process is imperfect in so many ways.

#30 roxxy, Dec 18, 2012
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I think he can be a similar player to Iggy (worse athleticism but better shooter). Iggy/Deng type player.

He's awesome. 2nd best player in his draft class.
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I could see him getting to around a Deng level if he keeps improving. Plus , he just so god damn handsome. Its an additional weapon on offense. Hypnotizes defenders with his good looks, drives past for a layup as they try to cover up their boners. I would finding hard to concentrate as well.

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Like most Rocket fans I have not been able to watch Parsons much this year. Just a bit on the internet (thanks Les/Comcast).

After watching the game on ESPN and some of the Knicks game on NBA TV i was like who is this Parsons guy. I couldn't believe how much better he looked than early last year.

Unbelievable for the 38th pick. He is an example of the type of luck every championship contender usually needs.

#32 glynch, Dec 18, 2012
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Once again though. Parsons is playing at a really high level right now. Looking into his numbers from last year to this year the growth is amazing. Just watching games you can see the improvement. Don't even get me started on how much better Asik is than last year, if anyone is deserving of MIP on the roster it is definitely him. But it is just false to say that Lin hasn't improved. And this whole he went on a Asia tour & wasn't working on his game handle is dumb. Just a few thoughts.
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Parsons and Asik both improved tremendously over the summer as well as Patrick Patterson. They are stepping up and playing well with a bigger role.

I'm not denying Lin is a good young player but I feel like a lot of his weaknesses are still there. You can sugar coated all you want but he is still shaky in many aspects of his game. But his weaknesses are not big major problems and can be fixed over time with experience and hard work.

But anyway, I'm done with this debate whether you agree with me or not. You have a different point of view and I respect your opinions. But none of us really know what exactly Lin did over the off season. I could be wrong because he could be working harder than anyone else in the league. But either way, he was not prepared for when teams scouting him hard and finding ways to shut him down...

#33 MambaJoe, Dec 18, 2012

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Parson's problem right now is inconsistency, which most young players have.

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Parsons and Asik both improved tremendously over the summer as well as Patrick Patterson. They are stepping up and playing well with a bigger role.

I'm not denying Lin is a good young player but I feel like a lot of his weaknesses are still there. You can sugar coated all you want but he is still shaky in many aspects of his game. But his weaknesses are not big major problems and can be fixed over time with experience and hard work.

But anyway, I'm done with this debate whether you agree with me or not. You have a different point of view and I respect your opinions. But none of us really know what exactly Lin did over the off season. I could be wrong because he could be working harder than anyone else in the league. But either way, he was not prepared for when teams scouting him hard and finding ways to shut him down...
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I am not arguing this anymore in this thread, thanks for the conversation though. Peace!

#35 roxxy, Dec 18, 2012
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I remember how I used to cringe last year every time he attempted a FT and missed. Amazing how much he's grown since then despite still being inconsistent. Probably one of the best contracts in the league right now.

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I remember how I used to cringe last year every time he attempted a FT and missed. Amazing how much he's grown since then despite still being inconsistent. Probably one of the best contracts in the league right now.
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nah, i think Royce got the best contract in the league... get paid and still able to stay home tweeting all day. cant beat that

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I love to see how Parsons is continuously improving and just bringing it every night, no matter where it is in the boxscores, assists, rebounds, points, whatever. I'm so glad he's getting some recognition, especially how it seems from all interviews he's just such a good teammate, that he's even the glue-guy off-court.

I figure in year three we might see Parsons integrate his offense and his defense, so I'm not too stressed about his defense atm and figure that it's probably a function of this team being so freaking young.

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Nimo said: ↑

A great post, great read. But OP just couldn't resist inserting the "troll pill".

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InB4LOFs
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LOL - it's a killer. Everything was cool up to that point.

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VBG said: ↑

I think he can be a similar player to Iggy (worse athleticism but better shooter). Iggy/Deng type player.

He's awesome. 2nd best player in his draft class.
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Deng is right... he is a Luol Deng type player. Jack of all trades, master of none, but more than adequate at just about everything.

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