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Democrats: Do you agree with the Platform Amendments?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by durvasa, Sep 7, 2012.

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Yea or Nay: Democratic Platform Amendments

Poll closed Sep 19, 2012.
  1. Yea

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  2. Nay

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  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    I'm just curious what the "yea" versus "nay" votes would be here. Do you agree with the following amendments to the Democratic platform:

    (1) “We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values, and interests of working people, and gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential,”

    (2) “Jerusalem is and will remain the capital of Israel. The parties have agreed that Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations. It should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths.”

    Not asking if you agree with the manner in which the amendments were added(last minute, not based on any actual consensus amongst the delegates), but rather if you just agree with the amendments themselves personally. Please refrain from voting if you don't consider yourself a supporter of the Democratic party.
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    Why does a political party need to have a rigid platform? Can people not think and decide for themselves? Here lies the reason why we continue to elect bad candidates to office, term in and term out.
     
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  3. Deji McGever

    Deji McGever יליד טקסני

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    I agree with Space Ghost.
    I'm not a Democrat, but I think they are very specific and divisive things to put in a platform.

    Either way, these aren't the things a big tent political party should be splitting hairs over, especially considering the yeas and nays, it was divided pretty evenly.

    They might as well add that Mike Renfro's catch was legal or that the universe is 14 billion years old. At least those things are universal truths :)
     
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  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    they only do it because if they don't Republicans will use it as a weapon to say the Dems reject god and abandon Israel. That's not true but that's how it will net out.
     
  5. Deckard

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    You, sir, deserve an official Blade Runner pat on the back! I will declare Mike Renfro was inbounds on that play until the day I die, which I hope is a ways off.

    As for durvasa's question, it bothers me that the language was added late. It would have been wiser to have put "God" somewhere in the platform before anyone noticed its absence. I personally could care less, but politically, you want God mentioned somewhere in some innocuous form. I'm more bothered by the reference to Israel's capital. While I don't doubt that at least a part of that city will always remain that country's capital, that is not yet internationally recognized, and for a very long time, under Presidents of both parties, that was our position. I wish it had remained so, in order to have another carrot to offer Israel in future negociations for a "Final Settlement."
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    Don't care. These changes are just political posturing. Especially the God one.
     
  7. Dairy Ashford

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    Would strongly prefer that a national political party refrain from accommodating other countries in their platform, but this isn't 1895.
     
  8. brantonli24

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    I always thought Tel aviv was the capital of Israel...
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    God reference I don't care either way.

    Israel reference...let's GTFO of there already.
     
  10. Commodore

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    It's amazing how this got zero network news coverage, a major political party removing mention of God from the platform and refusing to recognize Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.

    Compare to the Todd Akin (which was one wacko, not a party platform) comment, which got top billing coverage for a week.

    The entrenched media bias is not as powerful as in the past, but still a huge hurdle for the right to overcome.
     
  11. Ottomaton

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    The United States of America doesn't recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and never has. Not sure why the Democratic or Republican parties think it is appropriate to come into conflict with the official position of the country. I'm also not sure why observing the official position of the United States of America is a wacko position a la Todd Akin and the magic rape defense.

    There is a reason that the only country in the world that recognizes Jerusalem as the Israel capital is Israel itself.

    I guess Scientlologists think everybody is crazy for failing to recognize that Xenu was the Galactic Overlord that exiled all of mankind's thetans to earth in spaceships that look like DC-8's. Of course, that says more about the Scientologists than the people they think are crazy. If you yourself are insane, the actions of everybody else seem incomprehensible.
     
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    Speaks volumes.
     
  13. RedRedemption

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    Separation of church and state.

    Bye.
     
  14. durvasa

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    Are you saying that not asserting the existence of God or Jerusalem as the rightful capital of Israel is somehow fringe and extremist? Aren't these, at the very least, debatable positions?
     
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    Absolutely debatable, just not mainstream.
     
  16. geeimsobored

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    Annnnd here's exhibit A on why it got added back.
     
  17. durvasa

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    I don't agree. Its not like they are asserting the opposite -- "We believe God doesn't exist, and we believe Jerusalem is not the rightful capital of Israel" -- in their platform. I could understand why you or the mainstream media would take issue with that.

    But by omitting it they were simply choosing to not stake out a position on these subjects within their platform. Some in the party may strongly believe in it, but enough either disagree or are ambivalent about it to where it no longer makes sense to include it as something the Democratic party stands for. Why exactly do you find that objectionable?
     
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    not mentioning god in a secular government and not mentioning Isreal =/ saying women can't get pregnant from surprise sex.
     
  19. Johndoe804

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    In my party, there wouldn't be any mention of God or Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, because a person's religious beliefs and a sovereign nation's placement of their capital are none of the United States' business. Maybe we should start minding our own business, so we can stop minding everybody else's?
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    No what's more amazing???

    Is that during the RNC Republicans where crying about how Dems were focusing on abortion and Paul Ryan vs. the economy. Now, during the RNC, all the crying from Fox News/Republicans is about god & Israel.


    What a crock of poop. Republicans are going to be the party of the grossly naive, the racist, the deeply religious and fearful, and the rich. Wait, I think they are that already.
     

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