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  1. robbie380

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    I'm reading this book called the Music of Primes and the question has to do with the Riemann Zeta function which is related to prime numbers. By looking at wikipedia I am in way over my head in terms of the mathematics, but I am trying to figure it out.

    Why does the Zeta function output -1/2 at 0 and -1/12 at -1?

    In other words why does 1+1+1+1+...= -1/2?

    And why does 1+2+3+4+...= -1/12?
     
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    off the top of my head, I think it has something to do with series properties.

    Geometric series, and infinite series do converge to fractional answers.

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    For why 1+1+1+1+1...= -1/2:

    http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/ValueOfTheRiemannZetaFunctionAtS0.html

    I think the point is that if you do it by the sum, you are doing it in a discrete fashion, but s is continuous at s=0 so you need to integrate it instead.

    My best guess.
     
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    wow, that proof is a b**ch.

    glad I left my vague and totally random "explanation" lolololol.
     
  5. robbie380

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    Thanks for the replies guys repped both of you.
     
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    A friend who rented my garage apartment was a math major. Just throwing it out there.
     
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    I'm a math major. I have my G.E.D. in arithmetic.
     
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    the key is understanding that it is a meromorphic function on the whole complex s-plane. once you get that, the rest is cake.
     
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    Zeta function does not equal that when the real part is less than 1.
     
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    that's that meromorphicity at work.
     
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    Zetas never functioned for me. I preferred Kappas.
     
  12. robbie380

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    I've got a lot to learn! So much terminology that I have no clue about. It's amazing I even managed get to differential equations (M427K) without even really understanding calculus, logs, pi, e, trig functions, or almost anything in math. I really wish I would have learned the conceptual side of mathematics rather than just trying to memorize patterns and equations. That way of going thru school ultimately resulted in a colossal collapse at UT.

    It's pretty daunting looking at all this stuff and recognizing that I actually studied the foundations of what these things are based off of for years, but never really learned anything. As a result I have almost no intuitive feel for concepts that I should since I never really understood them in the first place. It's hard to even figure out where to begin after seeing how many holes I have in my math foundation.

    ...logs into KhanAcademy.org :p
     
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    well once you learn what a meromorphic function is, let me know because i have no idea. i just wish the riemann zeta function wasn't seemingly in every wikipedia article on obscure math/number theory concepts i get to through hyperlinks.
     
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    I have a math degree and got one more semester till getting a masters, and this stuff is over my head. Too many functions. I can't seem to define it.

    I know this: 1+1+1+1... does not equal -1/2. It equals infinity. Some weird property of the function makes it equal -1/2.

    Same with the 1+2+3+4... thing.
     
  15. robbie380

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    All I can gather is that there is some sort of regularization technique going on here...and I don't even really know what that is :p

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_function_regularization#Definition
     
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    I'm a math major, I suck major azz in math.
     

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