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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DallasThomas, Nov 1, 2011.

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Carl Herrera said: ↑

Kyle's job is to make Keyon Dooling work?
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Haha no.

Luis:¿Podría alguien infiltrarse en la reunión entre NBPA y NBA, y decirme si tengo qué viajar a Usa o me quedo acá?

Where is Kyle?

#821 J.R., Nov 10, 2011

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KBergCBS Ken Berger

#NBA labor update: Modest progress on mid-level, but new hurdles emerge. #lockout bit.ly/vUan5d
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ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe

I've written before re: importance of how league defines "taxpayer"--looking back, forward, etc. Here's what I mean: tinyurl.com/7l4jv59
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http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33225313

NEW YORK -- Negotiators for the league and players' association made modest progress on the use of the mid-level exception for luxury tax-paying teams Thursday, but other guidelines governing exceptions and the tax level emerged as a new sticking point, three people briefed on the labor talks told CBSSports.com.

One of the people said league negotiators signaled a willingness to raise the so-called "mini mid-level" to three years starting at $3 million for teams above the luxury-tax level, to be available every other year. The previous offer was a two-year deal starting at $2.5 million, available every other year to tax teams. There was no indication union negotiators were ready to agree to this slight improvement in the owners' proposal, as it would reduce the mid-level exception for tax teams from last year's five-year, $37 million total to three years and $9 million for teams above the tax line.

Also Thursday, a new hurdle emerged in the discussion over when teams would face the new restrictions owners are proposing for teams above the luxury tax threshold. Two of the people briefed on the talks said owners were pushing for teams under the tax at the time of the transaction to be restricted from using the full mid-level -- four-year deals starting at $5 million -- if the signing put the team over the tax. In that case, the team would be restricted to use of the mini mid-level. Union negotiators want the new restrictions to be based on where a team's payroll sits in relation to the tax prior to the use of the exception -- not where it stands afterward.

After a 12-hour session Wednesday produced minimal progress, the two sides pushed past the eight-hour mark Thursday with the threat looming that league negotiators would pull their existing offer off the table and replace it with a worse one. The new offer, originally scheduled to be furnished to the players at 5 p.m. Wednesday but delayed due to the ongoing talks, would feature a 53-47 economic split in favor of the owners and also would include a hard team salary cap and rollbacks of existing contracts. The two sides currently are negotiating off a league proposal that would give the players a 50 percent share of revenue and maintain a soft-cap system -- albeit with a vastly more onerous luxury tax system, more restrictions on exceptions, shorter contracts and smaller annual raises.

On Tuesday, union officials held a meeting with more than 40 players, including 29 team player reps, and signaled a willingness to meet the NBA on its 50-50 economic split provided that a list of five or six system-related issues could be resolved to the players' satisfaction. One of the roadblocks in the talks, according to multiple people involved in the process, is that players who previously did not realize how severe the owners' proposal was had become emboldened to push for significant concessions on the remaining system points. Even if and when a deal is reached, agents who have long opposed the concessions delivered to the league by union negotiators will be advising their clients to review the proposal closely and vote against it if it isn't substantially different than what the players learned about Tuesday.

"The players aren't going to be hoodwinked on this one," one such agent told CBSSports.com.

Also slowing progress in the bargaining room, according to one of the people briefed on the talks, was the fact that the league still has not fully shared details of its plans to enhance revenue sharing -- a mechanism that would redistribute money from high-revenue teams to low-revenue teams at supposedly more aggressive rate than previously. Hard-line players and agents are resisting further system concessions, which the league says it needs to create more competitive balance, until it becomes clear what owners are going to do in that regard through revenue sharing.
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#823 ascaptjack, Nov 10, 2011
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RT @MoneyMase: @tj_ford no bro. Still a ways away.. RT @tj_ford Is the lockout over yet!!!!!!

#824 J.R., Nov 10, 2011
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People are gonna be in for a huge disappointment.

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No. RT @Ehartslim: @alanhahn from what your hearing do you think we strike a deal tonight?

#826 ascaptjack, Nov 10, 2011
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People going crazy with the #NBA Ultimatum & #90 jokes tweets:

@FalseHoop: #NBAultimatum No deal unless Kris Kross gets its clothes on straight and catches the bus. #90sJokes

@FalseHoop: #NBAultimatum No deal unless Kris Kross gets its clothes on straight and catches the bus. #90sJokes

@FalseHoop: #NBAultimatum No deal unless Kris Kross gets its clothes on straight and catches the bus. #90sJokes

merepescao pancho
#NBAultimatum no deal until Iverson goes to practice. We talkin' 'bout practice?

#NBAultimatum no deal until Dwight hits 10 free throws in a row

“@thechrispalmer: #NBAultimatum No deal until Derek Fisher makes it to Mordor and destroys the Ring.”fire up the jet

#NBAultimatum No deal until Gilbert and LeRingless kiss and make up

FalseHoop FalseHoop
#NBAultimatum No deal until Barkley is finished backing down his man in the paint. #90sJokes

#NBAultimatum No deal until John Stockton wears baggy shorts. #90sJokes

IshanB22 Ishan Bhaidani
@FalseHoop #NBAultimatum no deal until mutumbo stops shaking his finger #90sJokes

TTawk_01 Tony Tawk
@FalseHoop #NBAultimatum No Deal until Hakeem Olujawon stops performing the dream shake on David Robinson #90sJokes
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#NBAultimatum no deal until #thedream "shakes" us outta this nightmare #90sJokes

and about the new developments regarding the current "good feelings"

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hitting 10 hours...

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I'm waiting for this to hit 12 hours, meeting ends, Fisher and/or Stern: "We made no progress."

#829 J.R., Nov 10, 2011
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I want this ****ing deal to be done by tomorrow so I can have the best weekend ever and get really drunk in celebration of basketball.

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

After finishing call with owners' labor relations committee, David Stern will deliver union a revised offer tonight, league sources tell Y!
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You all read the @WojYahooNBA tweet. This could very ugly, very fast--and into murky territory.
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This could get real ugly real fast.

My prediction? Union rejects offer and by next week, Christmas games get canceled.

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Owners revised offer will be working off current negotiations with players -- not the threatened 'reset' offer awaiting if talks broke down.

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Ah--a "revised" offer that isn't the "reset" offer. But what will it be? Enough to placate the hard-liners on both sides?

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Union WILL reject the revised offer and we will be back to square one.

Sorry folks, the sports Gods don't want an NBA season.

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Source confirms @WojYahooNBA report that Stern will confer with owners and deliver revised proposal to union tonight.
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If owners make revised offer that drops union BRI share, players either steel selves to shrug it off, keep talking. Or get harsh back.
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I'm afraid the Union will reject the offer.

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Must have Xmas game. else Jesus mad about no birthday game.

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I wouldnt be surprised.

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The revised proposal indeed is based on current negotiated deal points, not the reset proposal threatened if talks broke down.
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Why would they reject it? Isn't this the deal that they have all been working on for the past couple of days?

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