Too bad IME is an idiot. Tari is an even bigger idiot for not cashing in. At this point I would let him go and get a contract and force the Rockets to match it. He gambled and LOST.
He would have to shoot the ball below 30% the rest of the year to finish below league average. I think it’s far more likely he finishes slightly better than league average as a shooter which is good enough even if he is streaky. The important thing is he is a defensive hound who can shoot slightly above league average on 3 on volume which means you have to run him off the line…I would say from a value standpoint - if Houston can get him on a reasonable deal- even with a bad streak leading into his contract decisions, he’s a young above average 3d and guy with an improving shot. It’s the injury question that really is going to drive whether we part ways or resign him.
I think parting ways is almost inevitable at this point. I think there's an obvious mismatch between the role Tari wants and what this team can/will give him. But that doesn't necessarily mean it will be this offseason. He's really lowered the value of his next contract with his poor shooting over the last month or so. If teams believed he had really turned the corner as a 3P shooter and become legitimately very good, rather than just average-ish, he would get a lot stronger offers. Right now I believe the most likely outcome is that the Rockets re-sign him on some kind of inexpensive deal and trade him a year later. Second most likely would be to hit him with a QO then either he plays that out and walks for nothing (which would be a shame) or brings back an offer sheet that's probably not too different from what we offered him, to the same eventual outcome of him being traded.
If he ends up with average 3pt shooting and accepts an inexpensive contract, the Rockets might not want to trade him unless as a throw-in in a larger deal. He is still a good bench player as is.
It all comes down to price. They should keep him as a really good bench player if they can sign him for less than 20m a year. That makes the injury risk more palatable. If you had to sign him for Jabari contract, but making all but the first year team options, that would also allay the injury concerns. In any case, he should be coming off the bench.
He's hitting something like 16% from 3 over the past 14 games. That's way below even what Amen shoots.
Amen is shooting 50% from 3 over the last 10 games, if we just want to pick stats. Neither are real. Tari was always going to revert back to an average or slightly above average 3 pt shooter, which is plenty good enough for the role he should be playing. Amen will continue to work on his shot and get better over the course of one or two years. If Tari comes back with a reasonable salary and/or team options it would be silly not to bring him back. Amen is untouchable and the Rockets have pretty much said that.
Tari is selfish, he only looks to shoot himself, he just isn't good enough. And his D has slipped considerably. Classic case of a guy who doesn't have any self awareness for what his talent is.... DD
I don’t disagree, but he is still a really good energy guy off the bench on both sides of the ball. You need those guys on your team at the right price. We will see what the price turns out to be. We lost the ability to trade him at the deadline. Not sure a sign-and-trade is viable for anything of worth. I think they try to low ball him into a contract and if he doesn’t bite give him a QO and let him go to RFA.
I hate to call him selfish but I agree with the sentiment. He makes bad decisions and he is too often looking for his own shot. he needs to be an energy guy off the bench Start Sengun Smith KD Amen Reed Since I know that they won’t go for that, put in Okogie for Reed. and it’s about time that we signed somebody that has a chance to make an impact in the playoffs. There are players out there at this point.
I wouldn't call the last 10 games much of a barometer for Amen's 3 point shooting. There just isn't any volume. He's taken 0 attempts 3 times and 1 attempt 5 times and a grand total of 10 shots in that 10 game span. Corner turned ....
You could say the same thing about you on all points - haha ...in all seriousness, you tend to overreact greatly to things. Tari is a young guy with high defensive upside and a legit talent for creating TOs and offensively he is someone you do have to guard because he is a good enough shooter and slasher if you don't. I'll agree with you - the shot is wildly inconsistent, the same chaos he brings defensively he brings offensively when he gets the ball - it always looks "shaky" and can lead to bad TOs but he HAS cleaned up some of the bad habits(not fouling 3pt shooters as much with reckless closeouts, not as out of control on the break, etc), is a little more controlled from where he was earlier in this career and he is showing growth on the offensive end as well. The numbers suggest he is at his very worst an above average defender who can guard multiple positions and a he is an average offensive player who can make teams pay at 3 levels for helping off him. He's never going to be a star but he's 24, at least a solid 3 and d bench role player and it's not hard to see him growing into a Trevor Ariza type of starting role player at some point in his career. He is very likely to improve over the next 3 or 4 years. Injuries are the only thing that prevents him from getting there - that's a legit concern for me because there hasn't been much transparency about Tari's ongoing health but provided the org understands the nature of his injury and has paths to manage it while still having him available for 62 games - I think he could be a very valuable long term piece if we can manage to get him on a contract under 20mil.
Reed Sheppard was a below league average shooter for a similar stretch and Tari was one of the best shooters in the league for the first 15ish games of the season. There is a very real reason why terms like "regression to the mean" exist because everyone understands cherry picking smaller data sets if more representative of statistical artifact of natural variability - lucky/unlucky streaks tend to even out over time.
I don't think Tari is an inherently selfish player. He's just not good at reading the floor and making good decisions with the ball. I would prefer him to be just a catch and shoot guy and crashing the glass on offense. It's too bad because he is actually a pretty good ball handler. He just doesn't know how to use that skill to his advantage.
i thought his mechanics were bad when he was shooting lights out over 50%. they were going in though but now they aren't. but he's still starting because? does he even play good defense anymore?
Hmmmm, just look to shoot but is not that good and does not play good defense....sounds like another Rockets player.
Reality is that he chokes in the playoffs….low iq player who can’t hit a free throw or clutch shot when the marbles are on the line. Get him outta here asap. Also, we should have traded this injury plagued overrated player at trade deadline when he had max value….another wonderful Stone screw up!
