Lol, feel like I was describing you? It just shows that deep down you know that you are a joke. Thanks for the laughs.
How are you triggered when you attacked me on my thread and accused me based on your feelings again. You don’t matter. you never do lol
I never said anything about you....I just said that this thread was bait for 65 IQ Jalen Green fanbois and apparently that's what you identify as so you felt called out. Yikes.
Ok I'll bite, let's compare the top 20 of each. Which list is closer to the top 20 scorers of all time? PPG Michael Jordan Wilt Chamberlain Luka Doncic Joel Embiid Elgin Baylor Kevin Durant Jerry West LeBron James Allen Iverson Bob Petit Oscar Robertson Trae Young SGA Lillard George Gervin Donovan Mitchell Karl Malone Kobe Bryant Stephen Curry Dominique Wilkins OR Rudy Gobert Jarrett Allen DeAndre Jordan Ivica Zubac Nikola Jokic Cedric Maxwell John Collins Tyson Chandler Stephen Curry Artis Gilmore Karl Anthony Towns Kevin Durant Dave Twardzik (who the **** is this, seriously?) Michael Porter Jr James Donaldson (this is your list? these are your top scorers?) Deandre Ayton Adrian Dantley Clint Capela Domantas Sabonis Jonas Valanciunas I'm not being funny mate, you're on crack if you think TS% is a better indicator of a great scorer than PPG. The greatest scorers put up the most points, FACT. TS% is a stat for big men and low volume shooters. Your list speaks for itself, sorry.
No. you really have a problem with accountability. Or you just don’t understand the meaning of words you use. This isn’t new. You said this “thread was nothing but bait” The purpose of this thread is not “bait” for anyone but to spur discussion on what this team would look like had we kept Green and Brooks but added Durant. I clearly said this in the post because I knew trash people like you would accuse me and others of being Green only fans as you have in the past and here as we speak despite evidence to the contrary. As I said i don’t care about anything you write on here unless you respond to me. I never respond or read anything you write. Not one thing. Yet you continue to try to provoke me with bullshi +. This is why you will always be inferior to me
You think you're being slick, but you're advocating for Rudy Gobert to be better than all of them, you're the crazier one dude. Look at your TS% list of megastars!
You do realise that Trae has a higher TS% than Hakeem, right? Your own argument defeats all of your own beliefs in "efficiency" lmao. Morey ball is great for fringe talents, it's garbage at evaluating real ones.
TS is a deceptive measurement. It rewards big men like Gobert who gets points from dunks and put backs. It also rewards 3 pt shooters and good FT shooters that’s how Cam Spencer’s TS% is so high.
No need to argue. It's both-and, not either-or. You've got to be able to score efficiently AND on high volume to be a great scorer. Those dunk only big men don't count because they don't score on high volume. Guys like Trae Young, Russell Westbrook, and Jalen Green, even guys like Iverson, don't count because they are inefficient chucker.
TS% has no bearing one whether anybody is a good scorer at all though, it really doesn't. PPG actually does show a pretty comprehensive list of the best scorers in the game. Green isn't on there because he actually can't sustain it enough to get a high PPG average. It's why MJ is top 1 of 1 all time PPG and not top 100 TS% compared to Reggie Miller who is just outside of the top 20, was the lead guard on his team, but isn't a superstar scorer at all. TS% is a great stat for evaluating low volume roleplayers against each other, because those guys HAVE to be efficient, if you only get 4 shots a game you need to be able to hit them always. Volume scorers (read: Superstars/Franchise players) almost never have high TS% outside of Harden (FT's) and Curry who is the literal GOAT shooter. Have you ever noticed how the counting stats actually closely resemble the true-to-life rankings/performance of a player but when you actually LIST all the players in any catch all metric it never makes sense? That's because statistics are built on objective numbers, and "metrics" are based on formula where arbitrary weighting and values are applied to the real numbers which skews all of those catch alls towards the narrative of the person who created them? That's the problem with them all, that bizarre assumption of intellectual superiority to declare this individual KPI matters more than any others. It's why they don't do it in sports in most of the rest of the world, it's nonsensical number waffle for people to argue with, it has no reflection on actual outcomes of games, the main one that does is "who scored the most ****ing points." If you want to know who the best passers are to create buckets? You guessed it APG is gonna give the best list of people who make buckets happen for their teammates. It's nowhere near as convoluted as Morey wants you to think. It's FANTASTIC for winning on the margins though, maximising low resources and limited talent by playing into niche strengths on an underpowered roster (it's literally what Moneyball is, I read the book lol.)
THIS. It doesn’t matter how many shots you take or how many possessions you use. Points is how they keep score, not TS% last time i checked.
Look kid, i get that you are triggered because you thought I was talking about you.... but i wasn't. Suggesting this thread was bait for the 65 IQ Jalen Green fanbois did not imply any wrongdoing on behalf of the OP.... bait threads can happen inadvertently. I was clearly calling out the 65 IQ Jalen Green fanbois.... and that made you upset because deep down you know that's what you are. Just accept that you embarrassed yourself and move on. You'll only make it worse throwing a tantrum
I disagree. TS% is a great stats to evaluate which high volume scorers are really great at leading their team to winning. I really don't want an inefficient chucker to lead my team in scoring because he is taking away better scoring options. Now every stat needs context. Therefore you can't just make a list of historical numbers and rank them by a single stat. For one, you have to measured against your own era. MJ in his peak had TS% more than 10% above league average AND led the league in scoring for multiple years in a row. That's greatness. But his TS% would be mediocre in today's NBA because efficiency has gone up A LOT since MJ's days with the proliferation of 3pt shooting. Would he be a great efficient high volume shooter today? Absolutely. But he would shoot a lot more 3s than he did back then. Another context is the team you play for and your role with the team. If you are the sole creator and high volume scorer of the team, then your efficiency would not be as good because you are forced to take a lot of difficult shots.
When JG is in his Prime I would say around 27-30......I do not know where KD is.....probably still shooting but less mobile. As shetty as Stephen Silas was, he gave Jalen his first taste of big minutes, and he got what many rookies did not get.......lot of mileage and usage. Sengün does have to develop any sort of reliable shot, midrange and 3 pt....otherwise not going to be an MVP Candidtate, just not. Phoenix and Ott are a great thing for Jalen, so I am not really sour, I never was a Jalen fan but I wish him the best.
