[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Another limp wrist girly boy.
This forum has too many of you. But the ball in your mouth and go sit in your corner chair

 

I mean, yeah.... we all know the bad plays were *really* bad. No one is arguing turnovers aren't a bad deal. But what makes the bad plays even worse... is more bad plays! CJ was not just clean all around the mistakes - he was really, really good. And then when you look closer at the mistakes... does anybody expect him to fumble three snaps again?

So, of course, Stroud needs to clean it up - he can't hurriedly force plays that are collapsing around him; he can't force throws into coverage when he has a lane to scramble, or - given the defense - is better off taking a sack. For me, if we had to clean those up *and* hope that he plays better would be light-years more concerning.

If you take the turnovers out of his game.... that performance is more than good enough to go on a very long run.

Why are you putting minor mistakes in quotes? Did somebody call two lost fumbles and a red zone INT minor? I certainly didn't. They were HUGE mistakes, and if someone is calling them "minor," feel free to call that person a moron.

There's plenty of room, when evaluating his performance, to clearly see both sides: the mistakes were bad, and while I don't think he'll ever have a five-fumble game again, his decision-making around several of his mistakes were troubling. Hopefully, they can clean that up because.... everything else he did was really, *really* good.

 

I think the main issue here, at least for me, isn’t the fumbles.
You said he looked really good outside of those incidents. From the tape, he had 4-5 great throws.
Much of the rest was either off target, run after catch, receivers making great catches imo.

End result being good, but not actually CJ playing up to the standards he set.

We need him, he’s got to play up the standards we expect of him this weekend.

 

And Bo Nix did that, or statistically better, while dry humping our girlfriends. I can't stand that guy.

 

What does Maye's play have to do with how CJ played?

 

I am a CJ Fan.

Namely because his rookie year was the t*ts. Professionaly speaking. I remember his post-rookie season tour where he was smack-talking with Parsons and in many ways was stepping in as the heir apparent to the next great QB1. Then reality hit, and it has hit a few years now. What are the odds that he can return to that form? Are they greater than zero? In statistics and probabilities, he's waining and his modeling poor to regain that form. It's just odd, how he was as PHENOMENAL as he was, and then moderate-pedestrian.

Maybe when Tank comes back - if and when - Tank comes back, it helps CJ; but then again Tank on that day, is not far from another injury. Love him. Much. Love his whole story, but I think he is just too small (and now fragile) for this game. Hope he one-day becomes a WR coach. Insane what he can do at his size.

Back to CJ, has there ever been a case, where a QB started the way he did, returned to middle-upon-the-pack, and then went back to a scorcher?

I've resigned to the fact, that even a middling CJ is my QB. Sure, a dynasty will need an all-world Defense, but I am in on 7. If one of you braniacs could tell me that there's a chance, well then, Mary, I'd sleep better knowing we might add a top QB to this defense.

I mean, he already did it once, like for a whole season....

 

I'll go with what Antonio Pierce said, he doesn't trust CJ. The good was the defense was great because when you turn the ball over in the playoffs like CJ did you usually lose that game.

 

Why are posters so fixated on Maye's play when talking about CJ's play?

 

I'm gonna take a wildass guess and say it's maybe probably because their teams are playing each other in about 13 hours.

 

But how Maye played last week, or how CJ played last week for that matter doesn't have crap to do with this week. Ir's like CJ had a bad game and posters are like but... but... but so and so had a bad game last week, who cares how a QB that's not the Texans QB plays from week to week?

 

6 hours now

 

Football isn’t an individualized sport. A lot is determined on team philosophy, your OC, weapons, etc. I know people want to glorify a single player or see football as guy hit guy with ball but it’s so much more complex than that.

Stroud is more efficient than his rookie year and takes much less sacks.

His team wants him to game manage. That’s what he is doing!

 

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Pull him. 4 picks in the first half

 

This is sickening to waste this historical defense on CJ’s poor play

 

Super Bowl defense with a top 3 pick in the draft type of offense. ****ing pitiful

 

I am a fan of the pick, but he's damaged goods.