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No one is perfect but I have the judgement to decide whether I feel someone is of questionable moral character or not. I do not believe Elizabeth Warren is. That's not saying she's perfect or never made a mistake. Conversely, things I've read about Amy Klobuchar does raise those questions. And I have no doubt in my mind that Trump is an absolutely terrible human being, and I've thought that long before he was running for president.

Warren isn't a perfect candidate and I'm not even saying she has my vote. But I have not seen anything to make me believe she is a bad person. If I do not vote for her, it will likely be because of policy differences, not character issues.

 

I agree with you that she is far more electable than the leading candidates.

She would do very well in the electoral college as well, as she resonates with people in the Midwest as well as moderates.

 

My actual evidence is the primaries, which is the actual competition that will, if left alone, determine the best candidate for the Democrats.

The Midwest isn't the only toss up area of the map, Florida and Arizona matters too, Nevada and New Mexico. Everyone always focuses on those midwest states but Clinton could have won Florida and Arizona and won the election all while losing the states in the midwest.

I'm pretty sure that Warren too is polling well in the Midwest, so I'm not sure why there would be an aversion to her in regards to how she would play there. The link there shows that Warren is doing just fine in the midwest.

Too much is put on moderates and conservative opinions on candidates...in a Democratic primary no less. When I think Warren can win midwestern states and actually drive out progressive voters in states like Arizona and Florida which would also be a huge deal that just gets completely ignored in this equation.

 

Hate-filled left base? The reason Klobuchar is on the verge of exiting is because of... the hate-filled left base?

Klobuchar, who's polling at 1.5%, is far more dangerous to Trump than the top 3 candidates? Lol... She might actually be more dangerous then Biden, due to the fact she's been anti-free trade and Biden is very pro NAFTA pro-TPP which is devastating, and she isn't slurring her words every 5 seconds. Bernie and Warren though? Both are also very anti-free trade, I see no way she has an advantage on them. You just personally like her over them because she's far more conservative, doesn't support the tuition-free college plans, universal childcare plans, wealth taxes, medicare for all... but you know what? All those plans vastly improve the lives of poor folks... and you know what the rust belt has? A lot of poor folks who'd greatly benefit from healthcare, childcare, tuition-free college, wiping of student loans that should have never existed.

 

Picky much? Jesus. The NY Times puts out a couple of hit pieces back in February (all of which have been refuted by past and current staff), and that’s all it takes for you to completely dismiss someone that’s qualified for the office?

 

http://pisstape.org/

 

Not true.

 

77,000 votes in three states decided the last election. It’s the most logical path to reclaiming the White House, along with Ohio. I can’t remember the last time someone won the White House without carrying Ohio.

Securing that region needs to be the focus. We’re not flipping Texas and Florida would go 51/49 in a “Which would you rather have? Chick-fil-A or Alpo” contest. Honestly, I’m betting on Alpo.

If/when Warren is the candidate, I’ll fully support her. I’m just skeptical someone like her running on a middle class tax increase and some of the more far-left proposals winning in that critical region. Biden is polling the best in that region and that matters. Well, it matters as long as he’s still in the picture.

 

I guess we'll see, I think Warren's policies are a lot more popular than people realize. They don't see it as socialism, they see it as help.

I think Biden has a solid shot at beating Trump, even with the Hunter Biden stuff because he has Obama's presidency to fall back on and when he's not making a silly gaffe can bite back and if he chooses a strong progressive for his VP he could even perhaps drive out that vote.

I think Amy has no shot at this. She's 59, so she'll get another shot at this down the road if she wants it, but right now I do think she bores most of the party. Mojo there is saying that wall-street won't support Warren as if it is bad thing...people today see that as a good thing, not bad. People are tired of the rich getting richer at their expense and the fact that these people are terrified of Warren helps her...just as it helped Trump in 2016 when those same rich people were worried that his instability would ruin their incomes.

 

Neither Warren or Sanders are burning it up in the polls??? What? Warren is polling at nearly 22% right now, Bernie at 17%. Considering Biden is only polling at 28% right now, both, especially Warren, are most definitely "burning it up" in the polls.

That's a really terrible argument considering Amy, again, is polling at 1.5%. Somehow in your mind neither Warren or Sanders don't have charm or attractiveness to rally the troops... yet Amy at 1.5%, she's got that "come across as nice" charm, certainly, this isn't utterly meaningless, flat out statistically incorrect personal opinion, right? Clearly, Bernie and Warren have much more charm to ralley the troops over Amy, as shown in support.



The election goes the way moderates go? Like Trump? Terrible argument after a terrible argument. I agree moderated would prefer Amy, because she's very moderate, and Warren/Sanders aren't far left on the world political scale, on that scale they are just left, only in American politics are they considered "far left".

 

Get out of here with this Klobuchar is a bad person nonsense. This goes beyond the 2020 nomination. You’re a Democrat, right? This is a workhorse fighting behind the scenes to make your life better.

The NY Times puts out a couple hit pieces back in February containing no proof or anything tangible and you’re buying it. Ok great. I guess since you’re so passionate about this topic, you’ve also read the Op-Ed where 50+ current and former staffers refuted these claims. There have been countless rebuttals by her staffers defending her, but you already know that.

Nomination aside - she’s one of the good ones. This garbage you’re referring to is the closest thing she has to a scandal. She’s a dedicated public servant that’s been the lead Democrat on countless pieces of legislation that have become law. She’s smart, fair and compassionate. Well respected on both sides of the aisle for her ability to find common ground and function effectively in the role in which she was elected. Like I said, one of the good ones.

Let’s not smear or impugn someone that’s doing good things all because you think you remember reading something bad about her once upon a time, and she happens to technically be running against someone you support, so you’re going to pretend to have some informed opinion about the character of a candidate.

To even mention her in the same sentence as Trump, in this regard, is absurd. Not tying to be disrespectful, but your posts are difficult to take seriously when this is all you’re bringing to the table.

Warren isn’t my candidate, but I can recognize the difference between an enemy and an ally.

 

Dude... how can you say you agree that reason Trump got elected was due to his anti free trade stance winning him the rust belt states... and then turn around and say if he faces Warren or Sanders, who have both shown they are more staunchly against TPP, NAFTA and free trade then Trump is, that he will then blow them out over free trade in the middle America?

You aren’t making any sense on this.

 

That's bullshit, corporations are paying some of the lowest taxes in years while giving the worker the least pay and benefits since the 70s. Don't sing that bullshit to me...employees deserve better.

 

This post has almost nothing to do with what we were talking about, and you proceed to call me a loon over something I clearly didn’t come anywhere close to saying. Guess that’ll rap up this back and forth.