Our Great allies the despotic Saudis kill a Washington Post Journalist.

I think it is telling that the same "experts" in Western media that gushed over MBS also were they first to be outraged over the death of their "good friend" by his death squad.

 

personal preference: a wise enemy is better han a foolish freind, one is predictable ,the other is a disaster waiting to happen

A guy with ambition of becoming the next Ayatoallah supreme leader who doesn't mind resemblance to Assad and who demands the protection and crime washing treatment that Israel gets is not a reformer nor can't be trusted for the future, his own mother who protested choosing him is under house (palace) arrest

 

Khashoggi's past isn't why MBS had him murdered. He was killed and tortured because he would not go silent when ordered to do so last year. Then, after he left Saudi Arabia, he turned into an MBS critic. This was his death sentence. Khashoggi even said he agreed with what MBS was trying to accomplish but not with his ruthless crackdown and campaign of fear and intimidation.

Blaming victims here is just shameful, especially when your point has no merit at all.
One thing you said is true: Khashoggi "represents the sort of element MBS wants to flush down the toilet". That element is any sort of criticism, whatsoever.

MBS deserves outright condemnation for this, without any reservation. Same for Trump because he boldly lied and insulted everyone's intelligence when he said the explanation was credible.

 

If only you had a great mind like Trump, you would not be saying this.

 

defending a torturous murder by questioning America? Hmm... a new approach to MAGA...

 

I have found this story interesting in that regard. Given Trump's foreign policy in the region, he really doesn't have the strength to break from Saudi Arabia, so what do you do when your ally creates a giant PR diasaster? What would Obama have done if this happened under his watch? Because he was in a bit of a better place, but not a great place to take a hard stand either.

 

Obama would have done the same thing he did when Syria used gas on their own people, the same thing Obama did when Russia invaded Crimea.....nothing.

In this instance, doing little to nothing might be the best course of action given what we know about the deceased. It would be different if he was a US citizen, but even then the ties to extremism make his death less of a problem. I mean, would it be different if the Saudis had killed him using a drone strike like the US would have?

 

You don't know recent history. Obama didn't do "nothing" in either of those cases.

 

He effectively did nothing and it's why Trump has had to deal with both Syria using chemical weapons and Russian hostility while he was president.....and he actually did something about them rather than just having his true believers spin things after the fact that in doing nothing he really was doing a lot.

 

Send the guatamalean caravan on a ship to Saudi, plenty of opportunity and money there.

 

If multiple rounds of sanctions from the US and its allies against Russia causing a financial recession there is nothing, than I expect Trump to do less than nothing about Saudi Arabia.

 

Ah yes, sanctions. Clearly they were highly effective as Russia still has Crimea, Syria used chemical weapons (crossing Obama's "red line") yet again, and Russia got even more bold about making aggressive moves. Clearly Obama was a highly feared and respected leader internationally LOL.

As to what Trump does about the Saudis killing a Saudi with ties to extremism.....well, that's pretty far down the list when it comes to things that actually matter.

 

Embassy murder squad made 4 calls to Saudi crown prince's office on day Khashoggi was killed

 

It’s sad when the US President tweets this and keeps on going with his day and we are supposed to do the same without holding him accountable.

 

The Russian economy is crap in large part because of the sanctions initiated by the Obama administration.

If Trump did something, does that mean that Russia has abandoned Crimea? Because that's what you apparently used as the gauge to judge whether or not anything was done.

 

Trump wasn't reacting to Crimea, that was basically settled well before he came to office due to the weakness of Obama. Trump was reacting to their presence and interference in Syria along with Assad once again crossing Obama's "red line".....and Russians ended up dead over that.....and Russia has left Syria as a result of Trump's actions.

Again, hold on to "muh sanctions" but I'm sure even you know deep down that they did nothing and were nothing but a show of weakness, essentially all the Obama Administration ever showed internationally. Don't get me wrong, foreign countries loved it when Obama showed weakness, but it's the reason for Russia being a bigger and bigger problem for the US.

 

Jamal latest interviews had said " aside from Bernie Sanders, Dems and repubs will do nothing for human rights violations in ME"

was he MB, Jihadi, Mullah,Iran contra's mastermind, ...central American carvan driver? when he was alive, he didn't seems like it, he was given a newspaper to swing punches at conservatives religiously self proclaimed rights figures

 

Your contention is that Russia isn't involved in Syria anymore?

You claiming that the sanctions did nothing doesn't jibe with the reality and Russia's tanked and sucky economy which were largely a result from the sanctions. It also doesn't jibe with the fact that Russia has been lobbying to have those sanctions revoked.

When weighing facts or your narrative, I'll go with the facts.

 

My contention is that their presence there is a minimum since they largely pulled out several months ago.

I'm claiming that the sanctions did nothing but further Russian aggression because Putin knew that Obama was too much of a p***y to do anything serious no matter what aggressive action they took.