Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Well yeah, due to your political views you see a SCOTUS that will protect the constitution as a bad thing because they'll be a barrier to unconstitutional legislation that you want passed, but that's the same reason why so many see it as a good thing.

 

Border security and Trump's wall are not synonymous.

You do know what a non-starter is, right? Seems like you don't.

I'm sure there are things you believe that the GOP should never concede under any circumstances, for Democrats, the border wall is that. Besides, Mexico is supposed to pay for the wall, that was his promise.

 

Perhaps not to you, then again, you support the open borders types so you don't have the most credibility on the issue.

Yes, a non-starter was Obamacare. I also get that to the open borders types, border security is a non-starter, but I don't think anyone should really care about those crazies. In fact, the more you get your DSA buddies to talk about what they stand for, the quicker people will walk away from them.




Now when it comes to the moderate Democrats, assuming they still exist, a compromise on border security for amnesty is a really generous offer because allegedly they support border security and they support amnesty....it's really giving them 2 things they want even if the wall isn't the way they want border security.

 

Nope, I wasn't caught lying, because Republicans do have control of both houses of Congress. If they can't push something through because of the filibuster that is different. I didn't realize I had to include well-known rules in what I was saying in order for it to not be a lie.

I actually talked about what Trump has talked about regarding the wall. The fact that Trump was lying and changed his tune doesn't erase what Trump was talking about. I stayed focused on the President's own words. If you choose to ignore that, it isn't my issue.

 

Well, if you feel that a wall is needed for border security the matter can be debated. But A border wall is not synonymous with border security.

Hmm, nothing else for me to reply to here since you are arguing against your own strawman. Have fun with that!

 

If you can't pass anything then you don't truly have control of congress, you know this, so it was being intellectually dishonest.....or lying.

 

I love that you got triggered by the video that you can't dispute showing your DSA buddies for what they truly are. The more they share their true beliefs the harder things are going to be for you.

 

Triggered? I mean if you want to believe i'm triggered, go for it.

I personally don't think it's fair to attribute my beliefs to some random video you found, but whatever, I'll be sure to find some random racist person and attribute it to you.

Perhaps argue the actual point instead of my made up positions, but I know you can't, so instead you'll say I'm for open-borders and since I'm literally not, there is no more argument or debate to be had as I can't defend a position I don't have.

 

I posted the indisputable truth, using the words of those I was talking about and you went the "{REDACTED FOR LIES}" route, yeah, it seems that you got a bit triggered by it.

I'm also not suggesting that those are your beliefs, but that they are the beliefs of those you were going to bat for yesterday. That's what the DSA types really believe even if you want to make it seem like that's not the case. I would certainly hope you aren't such a fringe leftist that you'd share their beliefs and that you'd join me in criticizing them for their really stupid beliefs....but I won't push you to do so.

My point was that while border security isn't a non starter with moderate Democrats.....assuming they still exist, it is a non-starter for the DSA types like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.....but that we shouldn't care what absolute lunatics like that believe and that's why we should work to compromise with those who are sane.

 

Hey, if you think so, seems irrelevant to the point if I were 'Triggered' by it or not. I know you rely on that but you can't prove that I was triggered by it so what really is the point?

We should not revisit that discussion here but simply put not all DSA members believe that. Not all Democrats believe that. Some do. But implying that you either have to be for the border wall OR open borders is something I disagree with. Acting like this is what was in discussion is dishonest and lying. No one mentioned open borders but YOU. That's what you wanted to argue with although no one took that stance, not me, not the house dems, no one took that stance.

I've already said I wasn't for open borders, time and time again, anyone that thinks open borders makes any sense with where we are at currently is a bit silly.

Once again, border security is not a non-starter, Trump's wall is.

Also, Ocasio is not for open borders. You've been lied to about her position.


Research it, she wants to focus on documenting illegal immigrants. If you want to argue her stance then argue her stance, it's there to argue.

 

@Aceshigh7 faints

 

No one suggested all Democrats believe that, in fact I flat out said otherwise, all DSA members though....yeah they kind of do.

Then good, it's good to see that you aren't a Democratic Socialist, it shows you aren't too far gone.

Even the border wall as part of border security isn't a non starter with moderates, only with the fringe left and the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" types.

You say that, but this isn't her suggesting that she's not for open borders, she's very careful to avoid having to say anything at all about what she believes here, she merely says that abolishing ICE wouldn't mean open borders, she never says that she's not in favor of open borders and the organization she represents is 100% in favor of it. The reason she carefully side steps that issue is because she knows if she's too honest about what she stands for no one will support her.

In fact, go ahead and look, you'll never find where she's actually come out against open borders, she always just re-frames the question into bashing ICE and talking about separating families. I honestly doubt you'll ever get her to tell you her actual position.

 

The fact that the socialists (note I didn't say liberals) on the left feel like they have to lie and be otherwise dishonest about their actual positions on issues speaks volumes. They know the no one would support their insanity if they tell the truth about their goals and positions on the issues....not sure why you'd trust anyone like that.

 

Bots can faint?

Good to know.

 

The fact that the socialists (note I didn't say conservatives) on the right feel like they have to lie and be otherwise dishonest about their actual positions on issues speaks volumes. They know the no one would support their insanity if they tell the truth about their goals and positions on the issues....not sure why you'd trust anyone like that.

 

A "natural progression?" So if you are screaming bloody murder when the worm turns and Democrats change their own policy towards judicial appointments to include the, for want of a better name, The McConnell Rule in order to get a Supreme Court nominee confirmed, or a Republican president dealing with big Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress can't even get a hearing for his Supreme Court nominee and you are outraged, you'll be fine if we call you a freakin' hypocrite?

 

After 8 years of Obamacare, I am sure Shapiro will find a way to survive his too.

 

Let me simply say this. I don't think anyone else that isn't a white conservative man has much to fear either.