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[Official] Astros Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. panamamyers

    panamamyers Member
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    All mound visits will be a thing of the past within ten years.
    You have overa dozen chances to talk it over in the dugout. Figure it out there, be a professional and get on with it during the inning.
     
  2. Redfish81

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    I'm surprised the Astros weren't in on Tony Watson.

    Watson is officially a member of the Giants. He will earn $3MM in 2018 and $3.5MM in 2019 before considering a $2.5MM player option ($500K buyout) for 2020, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today
     
  3. Buck Turgidson

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    Oh bullshit.

    Strategy has changed.
     
  4. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    Oh bullshit.

    McCullers, Verlander weren't complaining about strategy changes. They were complaining about sign-stealing and not wanting to hurt the catcher.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    Oh I don't care, but Verlander sure talked about it.

    "All mound visits will be a thing of the past within 10 years."

    I disagree, and yes I call bullshit. And I know you'll feel otherwise. Whatsomeever.
     
  6. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    You can call bullshit all you want, just know you are wrong. Do you think McCullers is just some Luhnow mouthpiece?
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    Thank you! It does mean a lot.
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

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    I wouldn't worry about the rest, unless you want to. I have no earthy idea what you're talking about wrt McCullers.
     
  9. finsraider

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    As things stand right now:

    CF Springer
    3B Bregman
    2B Altuve
    SS Correa
    1B Gurriel
    RF Reddick
    DH Gattis
    C McCann
    LF Fisher

    Utl Marwin
    Utl Marisnik
    Utl Stassi

    SP Verlander
    SP Keuchel
    SP Cole
    SP McCullers
    SP Morton

    Reserve SP McHugh
    Reserve SP Peacock
    Reserve SP Martes

    RP Joe Smith
    RP Hector Rondon
    RP Will Harris
    RP Chris Devenski
    RP Ken Giles

    Pitching Notes:

    - Having 3 reserve starting pitchers of the quality of McHugh, Peacock and Martes is ridiculous overkill, especially if we are considering promoting Whitley later in the year. We need to move McHugh.
    - Having said that, we should not sell low on McHugh. My plan would be to roll with the unorthodox 6 man rotation for the first half of the year. Keuchel, McCullers and Morton have injury histories and could benefit from the extra time off. Also, Verlander is no spring chicken. This lets McHugh rebuild his value as a quality middle of the rotation starter.
    - Under the "nice to have but not mandatory" category is a LHP specialist. If McHugh is traded midyear, this would open up a spot for a southpaw.

    Lineup Notes:

    - All discussions ultimately lead to what is the future of LF and catcher.
    - I don't believe we should spend any resources on LF...including trade or free agency. Between Marwin, Fisher and Marisnick, plus the eventual arrival of Tucker, we are covered both now and into the future.
    - Catcher is a different story. The talk about keeping 3 catchers on the 25 man roster is a reflection of where they think McCann is...i.e. 34 and on the downside of his career. It's possible that McCann is replacement level or worse by the end of the year. Gattis is who he is...a reasonable part time catcher and full time DH.
    - Whether or not you make a move for a catcher comes down to what you think you have in Stassi or Stubbs.
    - If we aren't comfortable with where we are at catcher, we have 2 options: sign Lucroy or trade for Realmuto. It's not obvious to me that Lucroy is an elite or even above average catcher at this point. That could be ok, but the question might be how much better is he than Stassi to be worth investing a roster spot and contract into.
    - Realmuto represents a clear upgrade at catcher. He's in the prime of his career, and has 3 more controllable years on his contract. For the right price, which I define as a deal that doesn't include Tucker, Whitley, Bukauskas, Alvarez or Martes, I think this would be a great move.
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Martes would be a deal breaker for you in a trade for Realmuto?
     
  11. finsraider

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    Yes. Martes has ToR stuff. He was our top prospect just 1 year ago. No reason to give up on him.
     
  12. HTown2017Champs

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    Agree. I actually have Martes above Bukauskas and Alvarez, the latter of whom I'm fine with trading for Realmuto.
     
  13. J.R.

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    Collin McHugh not happy with #MLB pace of play rules. As the player rep McHugh points out, we didn't agree to this.

    Dallas Keuchel, like many others, not happy with the new pace of play rules.

    Collin McHugh on MLB's pace of play initiative from Commissioner Rob Manfred:"It sounded like from what Rob was saying he was alluding to the fact it was a players & Major League joint initiative..That was not the case.The players did not agree to these rules"

    Dallas Keuchel on the MLB pace of play initiative: "There are no rules that need to be implemented about pace of play. That's borderline ridiculous."

     
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  14. Madmanmetz

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    How many games have you pitched, caught and managed? Visit to the mound are to settle guys nerves, change strategy, discuss the pinch hitter, point out a flaw in the delivery, check on how the arm is feeling, et. All these are in the moment issues. All the planning in the world wouldn't stop the need for communicating. If technology would allow for remote communication then we would see less visits from the dugout.
     
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  15. Madmanmetz

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    Buck says BS:rolleyes:
     
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  17. Joe Joe

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    Of course he does. Pitchers and catchers are part of a secret society that controls the Illuminati, Stone Cutters, Umbrella Corporation, Freemasons, and the Blue Templars. If they let us the public know that the extra mound visits are actually about strategy, we might figure out their true purpose. That's why pitchers and catchers have to lie about it being about sign stealing. They have to tweet about sign stealing. They talk about it to the media with righteous indignation. They even had MLB put in a rule that allows extra mound visits if the umpire determines that a catcher and a pitcher are getting crossed up as a red herring. We can never figure out that their true purpose for mound visits is about strategy as that is too important a secret to get out and will lead us closer to their more diabolic means.
     
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  18. Joe Joe

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    Mound visits historically have been for this and it was not excessive. A team does not need 2 mound visits an inning to settle guys nerves, change strategy, discuss the pinch hitter, point out a flaw in the delivery, check on how the arm is feeling while up by 5.
     
  19. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Trading him for a very good young, controllable catcher is not “giving up on him”.
     
  20. Madmanmetz

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    Agreed but my original response was to the posters claim "All mound visits will be a thing of the past within ten years." the excessive visit in the playoffs are because of the stage and the fear of stealing signs. If they are still playing baseball in 50 years they'll be visiting the mound unless all players get a chips implanted in their brains and nervous system.
     

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